Floyd Landis Vindicated!

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Oh yawn... even if he gets off due to lab stuffups, which I see is all bs anyway, that does not exonterate landis... it just means he gets off on a technicality...

he's still as guilty as sin...
Dude your forgeting testosterone is not a short term performance enhancer! The man was framed!!!!

Dude your forgeting testosterone is not a short term performance enhancer! The man was framed!!!!
It does speed up the body's ability to repair itself... hence stage 16/17 results...

2 + 2 = 4

I thought that I just read recently that the results of the B test were not released to Landis and his lawyers until just a few days, maybe a week ago? I'd have to search around for it, but I seem to remember that they were quite upset that it had taken so long.Whatever happened to Northwest Race Report.com? That site has gone to crap? I used to go there to keep up on my NW homies, but no more. Best regional racing site of all time.

And yes, I'm hijacking the thread.

Everyone down, this is a hijacking!

Dude your forgeting testosterone is not a short term performance enhancer! The man was framed!!!!He wasn't using it short-term i.e.,during the Tour.He had a transfusion during the Tour of his own blood taken earlier and containing testosterone,which he had previously been using long-term.Trust me...I never lie.
The transfusion (undetectable) explains his recovery...he didn't realise the testosterone was still in the old blood.
Martin Jackson has explained everything...and Martin knows Landis well.

Burn the witch.

Whatever happened to Northwest Race Report.com? That site has gone to crap? I used to go there to keep up on my NW homies, but no more. Best regional racing site of all time.

And yes, I'm hijacking the thread.

Everyone down, this is a hijacking!
I'll have a jug of Mojitos,please, while you fly me to Cuba.
Please avoid tall buildings and I'll thank you to land at the
southern end of the island,if that's not too much trouble.

I thought that I just read recently that the results of the B test were not released to Landis and his lawyers until just a few days, maybe a week ago? I'd have to search around for it, but I seem to remember that they were quite upset that it had taken so long.I remember this also. Although this reference below isn't where I originally read it either, it provides similar info.

http://www.floydlandis.com/blog/ (http://www.floydlandis.com/blog/)



"Upon review of 370 pages of documentation provided by the LNDD laboratory at Chatenay-Malabry, Jacobs and a team of scientific experts have found inconsistencies in the testing protocol and methodology that support Landis’ innocence. Jacobs received the official document package on August 31."

Whatever happened to Northwest Race Report.com? That site has gone to crap? I used to go there to keep up on my NW homies, but no more. Best regional racing site of all time.

And yes, I'm hijacking the thread.

Everyone down, this is a hijacking!

You've got me - I used to use it to post up race photos there, but the albums page broke down and hasn't worked for months. They don't even have a contact person listed on the site anywhere, so I have no ideas on who to get in touch with to tell them.

You could cruise over to http://www.bikecafe.net/NW/ for some NW News

You've got me - I used to use it to post up race photos there, but the albums page broke down and hasn't worked for months. They don't even have a contact person listed on the site anywhere, so I have no ideas on who to get in touch with to tell them.

You could cruise over to http://www.bikecafe.net/NW/ for some NW NewsLook, I found a page. They must still be running it on the server. Check it out: http://www.nwracereport.com/features/hone_feat0302_1.htm

This was a regional cycling site. It's as good, maybe better than, velonews.com

Man, the NW lost it when they didn't finance that site. I remember the guy who ran it saying he talked to the WSBA, OBRA and BCCycling to get together and fund the site but they wouldn't. They all wanted their separate news site. Wow. They missed the boat.

You'll never see anything like that again.

It does speed up the body's ability to repair itself... hence stage 16/17 results...
If you have a bad day and totally bonk one day and barely make it in under the cut off time isn't that considered a rest day... why is it so hard to believe that you can have a bad day and bounce back...

If you have a bad day and totally bonk one day and barely make it in under the cut off time isn't that considered a rest day... why is it so hard to believe that you can have a bad day and bounce back...In a recent issue of Bicycling Magazine they have a relatively in-depth interview with him. In it they ask him for an explanation of how he could have performed so incredibly the day after that legendary stage 16 where he performed so poorly. His explanation makes sense. He said that with his power meter he was able to estimate how much more he could give on climbs considering the distance remaining in the stage, and could pace himself accordingly because of it. He then pointed out clearly that his climbing pace (feet per minute?) was actually LESS than that of prior stages, and that on at least one climb during stage 17, at least one other rider was performing better than him in terms of feet per minute. He also pointed out that the reason he looked so incredible that day wasn't so much because he was riding so incredibly, but that the other riders were riding so poorly for a chunk of the stage.

Think about it: Landis bombs on stage 16. He comes back on stage 17 and starts going extremely hard and begins regaining the 9 minutes lost - in relation to the other riders. He's watching his power meter, knowing what his max output is and paces himself accordingly. The other riders, knowing how badly he bombed in the prior stage don't take him too seriously, thinking there's no way he can maintain the pace he is going at and unintentionally allow him to gain the momentum he needed to come back. He's not necessarily riding stronger than he did in prior stages, but looks incredible when comparing himself against the other riders based on his solid performance in stage 17 in contrast to the previous stage, and when compared to the un-wise riding of the others in stage 17.

The media is pathetic much of the time in the spin they put on stories. Thanks largely to them, he's had to go through "trial by media" instead of a proper investigation first.

I just finished reading a book on the history of the TdF and it's FULL of story-book finishes to individual stages and the Tour as a whole from the very inception of the Tour through today. Is it possible he doped? Obviously it's "possible". Did he do it? None of us have any way of knowing the ACTUAL truth other than what the press feeds to us. The ACTUAL truth is guaranteed to be different at LEAST to some degree from what you'll read in standard headlines.

Personally, I'm willing to give the buy the benefit of the doubt first. "Innocent until proven guilty."

In a recent issue of Bicycling Magazine they have a relatively in-depth interview with him. In it they ask him for an explanation of how he could have performed so incredibly the day after that legendary stage 16 where he performed so poorly. His explanation makes sense. He said that with his power meter he was able to estimate how much more he could give on climbs considering the distance remaining in the stage, and could pace himself accordingly because of it. He then pointed out clearly that his climbing pace (feet per minute?) was actually LESS than that of prior stages, and that on at least one climb during stage 17, at least one other rider was performing better than him in terms of feet per minute. He also pointed out that the reason he looked so incredible that day wasn't so much because he was riding so incredibly, but that the other riders were riding so poorly for a chunk of the stage.

Think about it: Landis bombs on stage 16. He comes back on stage 17 and starts going extremely hard and begins regaining the 9 minutes lost - in relation to the other riders. He's watching his power meter, knowing what his max output is and paces himself accordingly. The other riders, knowing how badly he bombed in the prior stage don't take him too seriously, thinking there's no way he can maintain the pace he is going at and unintentionally allow him to gain the momentum he needed to come back. He's not necessarily riding stronger than he did in prior stages, but looks incredible when comparing himself against the other riders based on his solid performance in stage 17 in contrast to the previous stage, and when compared to the un-wise riding of the others in stage 17.Yes, yes, but the simpler explanation would be, he doped.

Yes, yes, but the simpler explanation would be, he doped.. . . as the media would love for you to believe wholeheartedly. That sells newspapers, magazines, and draws television viewers. Simple marketing. The media doesn't make much money by spreading good news.

The sad news is that somewhere between 88 and 95% of the US population doesn't care about the outcome or disposition of Landis or pro-cycling.
This is my estimate and not based on science, but I don't believe I am way off.
If anything I am be geneous in estimating the general apathey.
Hardly anyone cares.

. . . as the media would love for you to believe wholeheartedly. That sells newspapers, magazines, and draws television viewers. Simple marketing. The media doesn't make much money by spreading good news.Oh I do love a media conspiracist. Here's my standard reply to media conspiracist besides, "you're being ignorant."

...Anyway, back to the issue, which is, how people perceive the inner workings of the media, particularly mainstream newspapers and magazines. I've worked as a reporter and editor for daily newspapers and weekly/monthly magazines around the USA and I've sat through hours of editorial meetings (called budgets) and I've never heard anyone say, "okay people, let's figure out how we can spin the news today." It doesn't happen.

Newspaper reporters and editors, once they rise to the level of LA Times -- and even before that -- are not biased. You're going to have to take my word on this. If they're biased, they get fired. It's a matter of ethics, which starts in J101 and in every college journalism class there after. If they're biased, and secretly grinding an ax in their reporting, it'll be obvious and the editor or publisher will give them the boot.

Don't get the news pages confused with op/ed pages where anything goes. That's why, on bigger newspapers, reporters and section editors don't write op/ed pieces. (side note: on NY Times newspapers, the op/ed office is separated from the rest of the newsroom). It's an obvious conflict of interest. Small town weekly newspapers, you'll see reporters and section editors writing op/ed pieces due to labor shortages, but it's still wrong. Bigger newspapers, it doesn't happen. Reporters report. They don't spin. If they have opinions, which they do, those opinions should not be perceivable to the reader. If they are, they're fired.

Now, do reporters and editors make mistakes? All the time. And why? Because they're thinking about punching out, or they get bad information, or because they don't have a firm handle on the information or a grasp of the situation, like the case with LA Times. The newsroom is like any other work place. People make mistakes for a variety of reasons. When someone down at the Ford plant installs a part wrong, is that a conspiracy? Mistakes happen. People start thinking about punching out or they just get sloppy. There's no Rush Limbaugh or Air America media conspiracy going on. That's just a bunch of crap to sell radio advertising.

It's over simplification to believe that the reporters and editors for the LA Times have it in for Lance and that they're willing to prostitute their ethics so they can make money for their newspaper or work a book deal. Same thing with the French press. It's obvious jingoism to say that, just because Lance, an American, won the Tour, a French race, that the French media is out to get him (side note: they never went after LeMond). It makes me cringe when Lance alludes to that nonsense like he did` repeatedly at the ESPY awards last night. He's playing to jingoistic, none-thinking Americans because, really, aside from those in the cycling community, that's his fan base.

Now, about TV news. Look, if you get all your news-related information from the boob tube, you get what you get. TV news, by in large, caters to people of average intelligence, and in America, that means average folks encumbered with buying power. These people aren't thinking about the intricacies of world or sporting politics. They're thinking about what kind of golf clubs to buy or the color of their new kitchen cabinets or how much horsepower that new riding lawnmower has. They don't have time to get mired in details about two big fat messy wars much less whether LA doped.

Come on. Drop the media conspiracy crap.

The sad news is that somewhere between 88 and 95% of the US population doesn't care about the outcome or disposition of Landis or pro-cycling.
This is my estimate and not based on science, but I don't believe I am way off.
If anything I am be geneous in estimating the general apathey.
Hardly anyone cares.By the time his case is run up the chain of command the American public will be, "Floyd? Floyd Who? Tour de What?"

Cycling, a mainstream sport it ain't.

It is sadly true that cycling is a back burner sport,a sport that almost anyone can participate in on some level.
Of course it is much easier to watch football,NASCAR and drink beer beside those tiny little bike seats make it hard to pass gas.

It is sadly true that cycling is a back burner sport,a sport that almost anyone can participate in on some level.
Of course it is much easier to watch football,NASCAR and drink beer beside those tiny little bike seats make it hard to pass gas.
Yes your estimates are geneorous regarding American cycling enthusiasts! Probably closer to 2 or 3% of the American populous will remember Floyds Name by Christmas. It will be "Oh isn't he that guy you know the one who used steriods to win in that Europian race thingy. You know the ride around Paris or something like that...."It is sad and this is why i believe the eurpoians are sooooo pissed when Americans win the Tdf. Oh well, I still hope he is innocent and believe for the sake of the sport on a whole bunch of levels.

It is sad and this is why i believe the eurpoians are sooooo pissed when Americans win the Tdf.
You're a git. If this is true, then don't show up... Pull all yanks out of euro cycle sport... Having yanks and yank brands in international cycling, truely makes it international...

In the '80s, USA track cycling team at the olympics had million dollar bikes made by nasa and a blood swapping caravan... The team would sit in the van with their blood being constantly run through a machine till the very last second before the race. This was legal at the time, and shows yanks don't mind being inovators...

ppl don't want yanks not to win, they just hate the over-patriotic denial inherent in yanks that automatically says landis musta been framed and setup...

Oh well, I still hope he is innocent and believe for the sake of the sport on a whole bunch of levels.The guy is guilty as hell. If they say he's innocent or dismiss he case on technical grounds it will be even more damaging to the sport, to say that a man who clearly cheated is being let off and allowed to keep his title.

The guy is guilty as hell. If they say he's innocent or dismiss he case on technical grounds it will be even more damaging to the sport, to say that a man who clearly cheated is being let off and allowed to keep his title.


You won't find one post I have made defending Landis,however I believe everyone has the right to due process.
Even you!
Convict first them and then hang em!