What happens when you oppose Bu$hCo too vigorously

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i do believe in conspiracies, and that our has/is/will screw us. but i don't believe them when the narrator sees a spook in every corner and every negative circumstance that befalls them is an act of gvt sabotage instead of them being stupid/crazy/on drugs.
Hey, cheapie, help me figure this out. I want to buy a new couch. It's a really nice one, Mission style in like this distressed, weathered looking leather, kinda reddish-brown. It'll look great in my living room. Sort of Mission, mixed with a little cowboy stuff. I have an Arts & Crafts period house, so I think it's really perfect. And it's really comfortable! My hubby and I have worked pretty hard this year, saved up some money to buy it, but the furniture store is offering 90 days same as cash, so we're thinking of borrowing. Might add a little debt, but we can get it paid off soon.

So, will these guys say I'm
A) a mindless sheep
B) evil
C) a lock-stepper
D) greedy
E) an enemy of the world
F) blind
G) all of the above

:rolleyes:

did you even READ the article he posted? the writer makes WURM look lucid and reasonable by comparison!!! :rolleyes:
You know, it made me think of that movie, A Beautiful Mind, where he was holed up in his little shed, working on his secret govt projects, and people were spying on him, and he was friends with that shadowy spy guy, and everyone was against him (and his fiancee was ex-CIA, oops, wrong story).....except there was a big twist, and he just had schizophrenia!!!:eek: And it was a TRUE STORY. hmmmmm.....

Your friends hang out with Kashoggi?A friend of mine used to mix with "important" people in LA. He owned a limo company that used to deliver... um... people, to the Neverland Ranch. Yikes.

Anyway.

I have an old grudge against communism and its apologists, too. "Evil empire." Yep, agree completely. Shame about the obscenities we comitted under the anti-communist banner, though. It's enought to shiver your blood when you really think about it.

About Ruppert. Just the word "revolution" makes me plug my nose, the way that "revolution" has played out in the last century. "Meet the new boss..." But I think the guy is on to a few things, and at the least had uncovered some skeletons in some closets. That kind of thing can earn you... a grim fate.

I'm for freedom. The sense I get from the Bush clan is that they are for freedom, when and where it suits them. That's not good enough. Plus, they are quite obviously theives. And they are bedfellows with some pretty nutty death-cult fundamentalist types.

BTW, I'm from the USA. The LAST thing I would want to do is hand the country over to a Politburo, or a charismatic demogogue.

I'm for freedom. The sense I get from the Bush clan is that they are for freedom, when and where it suits them. That's not good enough. Plus, they are quite obviously theives. And they are bedfellows with some pretty nutty death-cult fundamentalist types.
Well thought out post :) Nice to see some rationality here from time to time :rolleyes:

You know, it made me think of that movie, A Beautiful Mind, where he was holed up in his little shed, working on his secret govt projects, and people were spying on him......Reminds me of this guy on the Berkeley campus who was peddling a theory that the John Lennon assasination was conspired by:

Ronald Reagan and Henry Kissinger,

and carried out by... get this... Stephen King (who does resemble Mark David Chapman)

Plus the guy claimed that the proof of this conspiricy was all coded in mainstream-media headlines. He had a big display with all the right headlines juxtaposed and dated, and so on.

On the other hand. I know of people who've come to dire ends by knowing too much about the ruling clan...

A friend of mine used to mix with "important" people in LA. He owned a limo company that used to deliver... um... people, to the Neverland Ranch. Yikes.

Anyway.

I have an old grudge against communism and its apologists, too. "Evil empire." Yep, agree completely. Shame about the obscenities we comitted under the anti-communist banner, though. It's enought to shiver your blood when you really think about it.

About Ruppert. Just the word "revolution" makes me plug my nose, the way that "revolution" has played out in the last century. "Meet the new boss..." But I think the guy is on to a few things, and at the least had uncovered some skeletons in some closets. That kind of thing can earn you... a grim fate.

I'm for freedom. The sense I get from the Bush clan is that they are for freedom, when and where it suits them. That's not good enough. Plus, they are quite obviously theives. And they are bedfellows with some pretty nutty death-cult fundamentalist types.

BTW, I'm from the USA. The LAST thing I would want to do is hand the country over to a Politburo, or a charismatic demogogue.
Meet the new boss...I like that!

I just grow weary of this US bashing, dude. At this level. It's like it's own mental condition. Which will start an hysterical post that "YOU HAVE A F%&#*ING MENTAL CONDITION, if you believe Bush or this or that, blah blah, blah."

Would someone tell me where the utopia is? 'cause if it's Venezuela, than you're gonna have a hard time convincing me that it's soooo much worse here. I have found the "box" to be a long circular, quite rude thread about Repigs, etc., and then I'm a little confused at exactly where they think the "good" governments are. Or where everyone sits around humming and weaving baskets and turning their swords into plow shares. Iran?

Defeating Bush will do....what? Replace him with more rich people? Obviously rich people control a lot of things. Always have, always will. Most rich people are "pretty nutty" if you ask me. Right wingers go on hysterical diatribes too about the Illuminati, and the friggin Knights Templar and all the stupid rich people secret conspiracy groups that are going to enslave us all in the New World Order (just look at your dollar bill - egads!!)

Guess we're all slaves no matter how you look at it. Personally, I think we all better learn Chinese, because a bunch of different rich people are probably going to take over the world instead, and we won't even be able to pronounce their names!

Meanwhile, I have a job I like, a wonderful family, including a husband who loves me, great kids, faithful friends, good health at the moment, a beautiful new dog we rescued from a shelter, the weather was pretty good today. I think I will be better off as a mindless sheep being grateful for every day I have to live on this earth, doing my best to be a positive influence in it. I'm not going to go around with knots in my stomach, calling people assholes,(okay I kind of implied stevebaby was an asshole, and I'm sorry), and trying to convince people the sky is falling.

For all of you "others" out there, you just might wake up tomorrow and find out you have incurable cancer or something and realize you wasted a lot of life on hating people you don't even know.

Reminds me of this guy on the Berkeley campus who was peddling a theory that the John Lennon assasination was conspired by:

Ronald Reagan and Henry Kissinger,

and carried out by... get this... Stephen King (who does resemble Mark David Chapman)

Plus the guy claimed that the proof of this conspiricy was all coded in mainstream-media headlines. He had a big display with all the right headlines juxtaposed and dated, and so on.

On the other hand. I know of people who've come to dire ends by knowing too much about the ruling clan...
The worst part is he was a professor!!! And his big display will be on the final exam :p . Pretty creative, I have to say.

As for people coming to dire end for knowing too much about the ruling clan, I think that must be true for any ruling clan that has ever existed (political, corporate, mob). You DON'T want to know where the bodies are buried!

Meanwhile, I have a job I like, a wonderful family, including a husband who loves me, great kids, faithful friends, good health at the moment, a beautiful new dog we rescued from a shelter, the weather was pretty good today. I think I will be better off as a mindless sheep being grateful for every day I have to live on this earth, doing my best to be a positive influence in it. I'm not going to go around with knots in my stomach, calling people assholes,(okay I kind of implied stevebaby was an asshole, and I'm sorry), and trying to convince people the sky is falling.

For all of you "others" out there, you just might wake up tomorrow and find out you have incurable cancer or something and realize you wasted a lot of life on hating people you don't even know.I like and agree with your thoughts

...Defeating Bush will do....what? Replace him with more rich people?Yes, probably. But I think it's wrong to imagine that Bush is just one of an army of clone-politicians. Just one example of circumstances that could have been entirely different, even with a different GOP admin: the Iraq war!. Just look at how many GOP generals, GOP former state dept, GOP Army war college people, GOP intelligence people, etc, etc, were highly skeptical of this disastrous adventure. Just one example.

Meanwhile, I have a job I like, a wonderful family, including a husband who loves me, great kids, faithful friends....For all of you "others" out there, you just might wake up tomorrow and find out you have incurable cancer or something and realize you wasted a lot of life on hating people you don't even know.Oh yeah, life can be great here, and the USA is full of generous and kind people. And the fruits of hard work and free enterprise are constantly taken for granted, which irritates the hell out of me...

But there's a point where the cost of political ignorance-and-bliss will be more than you're willing to bear. I'm sure you remember, every once in a while, that people worked their stomach into knots, and even died, to throw off the yoke of monarchy and colonial servitude.... I think it's better to pay attention and perhaps get a little worked up right now, than to let things slide to the point where we'll contemplate actual violence again. Just a modicum of vigilance will do at this point, if we all would pay a little attention.

....As for people coming to dire end for knowing too much about the ruling clan, I think that must be true for any ruling clan that has ever existed (political, corporate, mob). You DON'T want to know where the bodies are buried!.I'm just saying that this situation could well apply to Mike Ruppert, as opposed to his being a deranged nutcase...

Defeating Bush will do....what?...
If it were any of your "wonderful family" getting their limbs blown off in Iraq, or suffering from effects of depleted uranium, or being locked up forever on mere suspicion, or killed like Cindy Sheehan's son was...you would have a much different opinion I'll wager.

But as long as everything's peachy there in Ozzie & Harriet World, you won't see any harm in having a traitor/criminal administration and Congress.

Early on in the Nazi regime, many Germans were of similar opinion.

Self-absorbed and myopic: the coin of the Merkin realm. Until it's your ass in the sling.

Hey, cheapie, help me figure this out. I want to buy a new couch. It's a really nice one, Mission style in like this distressed, weathered looking leather, kinda reddish-brown. It'll look great in my living room. Sort of Mission, mixed with a little cowboy stuff. I have an Arts & Crafts period house, so I think it's really perfect. And it's really comfortable! My hubby and I have worked pretty hard this year, saved up some money to buy it, but the furniture store is offering 90 days same as cash, so we're thinking of borrowing. Might add a little debt, but we can get it paid off soon.

So, will these guys say I'm
A) a mindless sheep
B) evil
C) a lock-stepper
D) greedy
E) an enemy of the world
F) blind
G) all of the above

:rolleyes:


You had to save up to purchase a couch?

Better than going borrowing, i suppose, but having to save up to buy a couch!
What do you and your husband work at for a living?

Lets say your net worth is around $750,000usd. you're still nothing to them. Ever heard of the carlyle group :confused: do you know who are amongst its members :confused: They're net worth, each, is in the 100's of millions of dollars. they could'nt give a rats-ass about anyone like you or i. that goes for all of the social issues they are using as smokescreens to cover-up their raiding of the us treasury and the selling of our offsprings future economic status for thier own gain :mad: surely we agree on this point :confused:

Agreed, David.

The Carlyle set - Kissinger, Bush (senior and junior), Major etc., don't give a damn about the ordinary citizen, regardless of that citizens nationality.
To be part of that set, you need to be rich and powerful.

Meanwhile, I have a job I like, a wonderful family, including a husband who loves me, great kids, faithful friends, good health at the moment, a beautiful new dog we rescued from a shelter, the weather was pretty good today. I think I will be better off as a mindless sheep being grateful for every day I have to live on this earth, doing my best to be a positive influence in it. I'm not going to go around with knots in my stomach, calling people assholes,(okay I kind of implied stevebaby was an asshole, and I'm sorry), and trying to convince people the sky is falling.

For all of you "others" out there, you just might wake up tomorrow and find out you have incurable cancer or something and realize you wasted a lot of life on hating people you don't even know.


.......and that's the way the ruling classes want you to be.
Compliant. Happy with your lot.
In a word, complacent.

Utopia may not exist anywhere.
You drew reference to Iran and Venezuela earlier, so as to prove that your country is further along the road to Utopia.
From what I have gathered you have never lived in either country, have you?

If it were any of your "wonderful family" getting their limbs blown off in Iraq, or suffering from effects of depleted uranium, or being locked up forever on mere suspicion, or killed like Cindy Sheehan's son was...you would have a much different opinion I'll wager.

But as long as everything's peachy there in Ozzie & Harriet World, you won't see any harm in having a traitor/criminal administration and Congress.

Early on in the Nazi regime, many Germans were of similar opinion.

Self-absorbed and myopic: the coin of the Merkin realm. Until it's your ass in the sling.
You don't know the first thing about my ass, except that I have the capacity to be happy. You have no idea how I spend my time, or what I do to make this world a better place. You have no idea what my connections to the US military are, and have been, for generations. You have no idea what I support with my money, my voice, and my vote. You have no idea what I mean to a friend in trouble. You have no idea how many foreign immigrants are my friends, who have escaped the fear of being locked up forever on mere suspicion. You have no idea about anything, except hate, loathing, and impotent fury.

It has been the experience of my entire adult life that the people in power have been accused of being traitors/criminals. Frequently they are. But I still want to hear from you who the saints are? I personally think you would be bummed out if you couldn't feed on and spew out your pathetic outrage.

And I also know from experience that anytime someone throws out Ozzie & Harriet as an attempted insult, they are just jealous.

I will not apologize for not spending my life tormented.

Agreed, David.

The Carlyle set - Kissinger, Bush (senior and junior), Major etc., don't give a damn about the ordinary citizen, regardless of that citizens nationality.
To be part of that set, you need to be rich and powerful.
What set of rich and powerful people give a damn about the ordinary citizen?

.......and that's the way the ruling classes want you to be.
Compliant. Happy with your lot.
In a word, complacent.

Utopia may not exist anywhere.
You drew reference to Iran and Venezuela earlier, so as to prove that your country is further along the road to Utopia.
From what I have gathered you have never lived in either country, have you?
I shouldn't be happy? I should spend my life trolling the internet in agony, wringing my hands about things I don't have control over?

Utopia may not exist anywhere? Then STFU about who is worse than who. Who cares then. Is that another version of "I don't know the answers, but I sure know the problem. It's America." Where people are happy. OH NO! No one should enjoy a minute of their lives. They should toil for the cause of hatred and ulcers.

Did it ever occur to you that your feelings are exactly what communists the world over are trained to tell you they are. I have heard enough comments around here that come straight of the damn manual. And you think Americans are being manipulated?

You had to save up to purchase a couch?

Better than going borrowing, i suppose, but having to save up to buy a couch!
What do you and your husband work at for a living?
I don't think you really read my description. It's a $3500 couch. With a really cool matching chair ($1300). To replace my, let's say, "eclectic", um, "vintage" furniture.

And we have to save money. Sorry that's so hard for you to believe. I have children, I stayed home for the last 10 years actually raising them, and have recently gone back to work. The government taxed round about 45% of our single income, so it was tough. Gotta pay health insurance. Then there are our bicycles :) .

So that's what makes me an evil greedy American lock-stepper. See, I aspire to a really nice couch. Sure, I could go to Value City and get a cheap one; it's still a place to sit. But not me, I'm part of the bourgeousie.

Utopia may not exist anywhere? Then STFU about who is worse than who.

Charmin'.




Who cares then.

You care - otherwise you wouldn't be posting your condescending remarks about countries which you have never lived in or visited, for that matter.




Did it ever occur to you that your feelings are exactly what communists the world over are trained to tell you they are. I have heard enough comments around here that come straight of the damn manual. And you think Americans are being manipulated?

I'm a communist?
Is that what you call people who disagree with you?

I'm not a communist.

And do I think Americans are being manipulated?
I think we're all manipulated to a certain extent.

I don't think you really read my description. It's a $3500 couch. With a really cool matching chair ($1300). To replace my, let's say, "eclectic", um, "vintage" furniture.


$3,500 = €2,700.




And we have to save money. Sorry that's so hard for you to believe. I have children, I stayed home for the last 10 years actually raising them, and have recently gone back to work. The government taxed round about 45% of our single income, so it was tough. Gotta pay health insurance. Then there are our bicycles :) .


We all pay taxes : standard rate here is 42% plus social insurance of 7.5%.
So you're no exception. Sorry.




So that's what makes me an evil greedy American lock-stepper. See, I aspire to a really nice couch. Sure, I could go to Value City and get a cheap one; it's still a place to sit. But not me, I'm part of the bourgeousie.

No - that makes you someone who thinks $3,500 is a significant amount of money and has to save that money in order to buy your couch.

Charmin'.




You care - otherwise you wouldn't be posting your condescending remarks about countries which you have never lived in or visited, for that matter.




I'm a communist?
Is that what you call people who disagree with you?

I'm not a communist.

And do I think Americans are being manipulated?
I think we're all manipulated to a certain extent.
You're exhausting. Obviously I was being sarcastic about Who cares then. Meaning, why do you care. I think it's clear that I care. I don't have to visit Iran to think that it is neither Utopia nor peaceful. Since you ask me that every single time I have an opinion about another country I will tell you that I have only been in North America. Canada, USA, Mexico. May I comment on them only?

I call people who disagree with me "wrong." I call people who quote communists and communist dogma, who admire communist leaders, who despise any effort to stop communism: communists. Perhaps some would prefer "sympathizers." Lenin called them "useful idiots."