Fidel Castro

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Florida ?

I was there once - my brother in law got married there.
i love it !!!!!!

your brother in law?...i hope it was your sister he was marrying otherwise i am totally confused..

[QUOTE=limerickman]I've been to Cuba twice - there is academic freedom, religious freedom, personal freedom.
QUOTE]

Perhaps you should pass that on to Human Rights Watch. Since, predictably, you have ignored all that was posted regarding their assessment of "freedom" in Cuba.

I read what you posted.

On my two visits to Cuba (in the early 1990's) I didn't see anything in your post which corresponded to my experience of Cuba - except the bit about State Press.

Tell me - have you been to Cuba?

i love it !!!!!!

your brother in law?...i hope it was your sister he was marrying otherwise i am totally confused..

My wife's brother - is my brother in law.
He married an American - in Florida.

He married an American
oh, i see...but why?

Again, for your benefit:

The Cuban media are tightly controlled by the government and journalists must operate within the confines of laws against anti-government propaganda and the insulting of officials which carry penalties of up to three years in prison. Private ownership of electronic media is prohibited by the constitution, and foreign news agencies must hire local journalists only through government offices. The Paris-based media rights organisation Reporters Without Borders has described the press freedom situation as "disastrous". The New York-based Committee to Protect Journalists said Cuba was one of the world's leading jailers of journalists in 2005."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/country_profiles/1203299.stm

Do they jail journalists in Ireland?






........we both agree that Cuba's got a State News Agency.

The imprisonment of journalists is not something i agree with.
But journalists have been imprisoned in your country.
And journalists have been threatened with imprisonment here as well.

oh, i see...but why?

Why ? Why did he marry an American? Or why did he get married in Florida??

I read what you posted.

On my two visits to Cuba (in the early 1990's) I didn't see anything in your post which corresponded to my experience of Cuba - except the bit about State Press.

Tell me - have you been to Cuba?I have not, though I have read many more accounts than yours of people visiting Cuba, and escaping Cuba. I don't know what you're refuting exactly. Do you feel that Human Rights Watch is lying? Why? What about the Paris based group Reporters Without Borders? Would they possibly be in a better position than you to assess the situation? Does Cuba NOT jail journalists? What is your evidence to the contrary? That you didn't see any? Does Fidel Castro escort you around the country and show you his prisons?

You remind me of Tom Cruise defending Scientology. "Why, I've never seen re-education centers in Scientology. If I haven't seen them they don't exist."

I have not, though I have read many more accounts than yours of people visiting Cuba, and escaping Cuba. I don't know what you're refuting exactly. Do you feel that Human Rights Watch is lying? Why? What about the Paris based group Reporters Without Borders? Would they possibly be in a better position than you to assess the situation? Does Cuba NOT jail journalists? What is your evidence to the contrary? That you didn't see any? Does Fidel Castro escort you around the country and show you his prisons?

You remind me of Tom Cruise defending Scientology. "Why, I've never seen re-education centers in Scientology. If I haven't seen them they don't exist."

I never commented about HRW.
I don't know if HRW is lying or not - I have not read what HRW have published about Cuba to form an opinion.

Is HRW in a better position than me to judge? Probably.

Does Cuba jail journalists? Does America jail journalists?

And no Castro didn't give me a personal tour of Cuba.

Name a journalist in jail in the US for using their freedom of speech. name a journalist in in jail in the US. Reporters have been held for contempt of court by refusing to testify about their sources in criminal investigations.

No one would describe the freedom of the press situation in either of our countries as "disastrous." No journalist has been jailed for insults to officials. People make their entire living doing that. Why can't you just admit they don't have freedom of the press, or freedom of speech. It's simple. You go to jail for criticizing Fidel Castro or the regime. You go to jail for disagreeing with the government.


........we both agree that Cuba's got a State News Agency.

The imprisonment of journalists is not something i agree with.
But journalists have been imprisoned in your country.
And journalists have been threatened with imprisonment here as well.

I never commented about HRW.
I don't know if HRW is lying or not - I have not read what HRW have published about Cuba to form an opinion.

Is HRW in a better position than me to judge? Probably.

Does Cuba jail journalists? Does America jail journalists?

And no Castro didn't give me a personal tour of Cuba.
You said you did read what I posted; I posted what HRW has published about Cuba. Now you say you have not read what they have published to form an opinion. Go back and read it. Then have an opinion.

Does Cuba jail journalists? Yes. More than other regime.
Does America jail journalists? No.

Why ? Why did he marry an American? Or why did he get married in Florida??
why did he marry an American...its okay i am being a tit...

probably love or something...

Name a journalist in jail in the US for using their freedom of speech. name a journalist in in jail in the US. Reporters have been held for contempt of court by refusing to testify about their sources in criminal investigations.

No one would describe the freedom of the press situation in either of our countries as "disastrous." No journalist has been jailed for insults to officials. People make their entire living doing that. Why can't you just admit they don't have freedom of the press, or freedom of speech. It's simple. You go to jail for criticizing Fidel Castro or the regime. You go to jail for disagreeing with the government.

What about the NYT journalist who was imprisoned out of the Valerie Wilson case?
Contempt of Court - you refer to it as.

I wasn't aware that journalists could be imprisoned in Cuba for insulting Fidel
or Raoul Castro.
But if you say so - then we'll agree that this is the case.

Why ? Why did he marry an American? Or why did he get married in Florida??
So he could vote for Al Gore at the same time.

why did he marry an American...its okay i am being a tit...

probably love or something...

I don't know why he married an American.

I should have done a background check on my wifes family - before throwing my lot in with such reckless people!

What about the NYT journalist who was imprisoned out of the Valerie Wilson case?
Contempt of Court - you refer to it as.

I wasn't aware that journalists could be imprisoned in Cuba for insulting Fidel
or Raoul Castro.
But if you say so - then we'll agree that this is the case.
Well, we'll have to agree that this is the case because it is a fact, not because I say so. AGAIN, according to Human Rights Watch:

Under Cuban law, the crime of disrespect for authority (desacato) covers anyone who "threatens, libels or slanders, defames, affronts or in any other way insults or offends, with the spoken word or in writing, the dignity or decorum of an authority, public functionary, or his agents or auxiliaries." Such actions are punishable by three months to one year in prison. If the person shows disrespect to the president the sanction is deprivation of liberty for one to three years.

I have not, though I have read many more accounts than yours of people visiting Cuba, and escaping Cuba. I don't know what you're refuting exactly. Do you feel that Human Rights Watch is lying? Why? What about the Paris based group Reporters Without Borders? Would they possibly be in a better position than you to assess the situation? Does Cuba NOT jail journalists? What is your evidence to the contrary? That you didn't see any? Does Fidel Castro escort you around the country and show you his prisons?

You remind me of Tom Cruise defending Scientology. "Why, I've never seen re-education centers in Scientology. If I haven't seen them they don't exist."What's the law regarding US citizens visiting Cuba?Is it still illegal under US law?
Why does the US Coast Guard fire on vessels from Cuba and return the people on them to Cuba?
Why is the number of people leaving Cuba for the US restricted to 20 000...by US Immigration law?
Alas...I fear these questions will never be answered by you.

What's the law regarding US citizens visiting Cuba.Is it still illegal under US law?
Why does the US Coast Guard fire on vessels from Cuba and return the people on them to Cuba?
Why is the number of people leaving Cuba for the US restricted to 20 000...by US Immigration law?
Alas...I fear these questions will never be answered by you.
The Coast Guard will only fire on vessels that refuse to stop.

We return the people to Cuba because we don't want em here.

What other questions are you afraid we won't answer?

What's the law regarding US citizens visiting Cuba.Is it still illegal under US law?
Why does the US Coast Guard fire on vessels from Cuba and return the people on them to Cuba?
Why is the number of people leaving Cuba for the US restricted to 20 000...by US Immigration law?
Alas...I fear these questions will never be answered by you.
Steve, you are soooo predictable. How about responding to the post I sent you? Remember saying this?

If you can manage to come up with some facts...I'm happy to respond.
As for dissidents...come up with a few facts instead of parroting this sort of nonsense.The record of the US is not exactly great when it comes to dissidents,is it?

I don't know why I bother to respond to this sort of ill-informed rubbish...

I proceeded to post nearly an entire page of facts about human rights abuses in your favorite communist dictatorship. You said you would happy to respond. Are these facts nonsense? Or rubbish? Who is ill-informed? The Human Rights Watch, or you? Please respond. Stop bringing up the US Coast Guard when it is not salient to this conversation. There will plenty of time to discuss immigration policy when you finish what you started regarding your admiration of Fidel Castro.

The Coast Guard will only fire on vessels that refuse to stop.

We return the people to Cuba because we don't want em here.

What other questions are you afraid we won't answer?Why don't you want them there...if they are fleeing a regime that is as brutal as you suggest?

Why don't you want them there...if they are fleeing a regime that is as brutal as you suggest?
Because we don't need a reason. We just don't want em.

Why can't you respond to the above post from nns?

Broken Record.