American Dope Mashines

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This article puts armstrong in a different light....:

http://www.deepquote.net/a2p2a4h5otbk

Looks like Americans aren't the only ones with the problems. No kidding. The original poster must be on crack. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14732896/from/RS.5/

Oh My God! This IS actually a cycling forum! Im a bodybuilder and I thought this site was all to do with cycling steroids, not cycling bicycles! do you realise that if you type in stanazol dosages into google, this site is 5th from the top? Well good luck riding your bikes everyone! Stay off the epo!

Oh My God! This IS actually a cycling forum! Im a bodybuilder and I thought this site was all to do with cycling steroids, not cycling bicycles! do you realise that if you type in stanazol dosages into google, this site is 5th from the top? Well good luck riding your bikes everyone! Stay off the epo!
Is all that stuff I hear about the tour de france and the gear those guys are on true? Those guys use more gear than a top Mr. Olympia Bodybuilder...

If Armstrong was to have his heart examined, I bet there'd be chronic enlargement of the left ventricle...a sure sign of steroid abuse.

I don't know who doped and who didn't, but at least I don't base my "knowledge" of who is guilty based solely on whether or not I like their pesonalities. Its OK to not like a rider - I don't care for Simoni (big mouth whiner IMHO), but I don't accuse him of being a doper just because I don't like him.I like them all, but I also think they're all dopers. How should I categorize myself? Hmmm. Yes, I love dopers!

I like them all, but I also think they're all dopers. How should I categorize myself? Hmmm. Yes, I love dopers!

dopers suck.

So lets get this right

2 guys you like test positive, but thats OK, because you thought they were nice.

1 guy you don't like never tests positive, but he's the devil incarnate and doped because you don't like him.

I love the logic. And his name is from a guy that Lemond has suggested who was a king doper.

dopers suck.Well thought out argument.

Well thought out argument.thank you. :) actually ...I have quite a few more thought out resposes but alas I am a slow typer. I would rather ride my bike on a beautiful fall day in New England. I must admit though the shit does work doesn't it? Maybe if Floyd hadn't gone so deep on 18 he wouldn't have screwed himself..........crossed out numbers on sample bottles isnt gonna cut it. Im out of here....................

ej

m, I think you are incorrect in your labeling of Carl Lewis. He is in my opinion one of the last cleaner sprinters to be seen in what is now a very dirty sport. Which is not to say I am a fan of his. I find him somewhat arrogant and selfish in interviews. Nonetheless his accomplishments and those of Edwin Moses are representative of dedication and hard work by american athletes. I am of a similar opinion to you on the rest otherwise.Landis tested positive, at least he is a sympatic guy, at least he left most of stage wins to others.

Hamilton tested positive, at least he is a sympatic guy.

But the biggest cheater in the tour history is PHARMSTRONG. He got his "talent" to win the tour in the hospital. And he took all stages he could get and 7 tour wins. A really bad character. And in USA he is still the "king of cycling"!

Is'nt USA the leader in Bio-Tech? Is'nt USA underdeveloped in "fight against doping"? Is'nt it so, that in USA they try to hide the stars who dope (for example Carl Lewis)

This article puts armstrong in a different light....:

http://www.deepquote.net/a2p2a4h5otbk Different? Here's the first two paragraphs:

"Lance Armstrong rose to sporting power in a world where paranoia ruled.
He had his meals delivered in a blue cooler during his final Tour de France for fear of sabotage."


That wasn't his food being delivered in a blue cooler.

I like them all, but I also think they're all dopers. How should I categorize myself? Hmmm. Yes, I love dopers!

Agreed.

Landis tested positive, at least he is a sympatic guy, at least he left most of stage wins to others.

Hamilton tested positive, at least he is a sympatic guy.

But the biggest cheater in the tour history is PHARMSTRONG. He got his "talent" to win the tour in the hospital. And he took all stages he could get and 7 tour wins. A really bad character. And in USA he is still the "king of cycling"!

Is'nt USA the leader in Bio-Tech? Is'nt USA underdeveloped in "fight against doping"? Is'nt it so, that in USA they try to hide the stars who dope (for example Carl Lewis)
I agree. The really big stars, like Armstrong, Marion Jones and Carl Lewis will never be punished, no matter how much evidence there is against them. Whistle blowers like Simeoni, Manzano and Kelli White are the ones who get the hardest sanctions.

m, I think you are incorrect in your labeling of Carl Lewis. He is in my opinion one of the last cleaner sprinters to be seen in what is now a very dirty sport. Which is not to say I am a fan of his. I find him somewhat arrogant and selfish in interviews. Nonetheless his accomplishments and those of Edwin Moses are representative of dedication and hard work by american athletes. I am of a similar opinion to you on the rest otherwise.
Carl Lewis funked a drug test one week prior to his defeat to Ben Johnson.

Lewis failed for an illegal stimulant (all sprinters require amphetamines)

Wade Exum (former director of USOC) oversaw that doping cover up personally. He remained silent for many years about it---but has since broken that Omerta code.

There are NO clean Amercian sprinters. Not even Stephen Alfred, Marion Jones, Kelli White, Regina Jacobs, Michelle Collins, Tori Edwards, LaTasha Jenkins or Justin Gatlin.

so - obviously ullrich was doped in tour 2005 and also basso (both were not tested positive) - and i guess also the years befor.

pharmstrong dominated the tour 2005.

If you believe he was not doped, nobody can help you!

(By the way, also pharmstrong was tested positive in tour 1999)
Yah, for a steroid CREAM. You know for saddle sores. How is that performanc einhancing?

Very well ff, you think there was a big coverup to benefit Carl Lewis and really he is a big cheat because they found traces of amphetamines at a single competition after 18 years in track and field. I am not of that opinion. I think that it was inadvertent, that he and Christie were taking similar Ginseng supplements and not realizing that the other stuff in the supplement, would cause a positive on a test. I think the USOC and the IOC can be embarassed about it, since in the case of other athletes they have not been so lenient. But to me, the use of steroids, gh and blood doping are more serious forms of cheating. Amphetamines rank below them in my opinion, they help an athlete lose weight faster for sure, but taken before a race, do they help shave a tenth of a second in the 100m, I am doubtful. Certainly not all sprinters require amphetamines. You would have to show me more than a single positive, for me go along with the premise that Lewis is a cheater.



Carl Lewis funked a drug test one week prior to his defeat to Ben Johnson.

Lewis failed for an illegal stimulant (all sprinters require amphetamines)

Wade Exum (former director of USOC) oversaw that doping cover up personally. He remained silent for many years about it---but has since broken that Omerta code.

Very well ff, you think there was a big coverup to benefit Carl Lewis and really he is a big cheat because they found traces of amphetamines at a single competition after 18 years in track and field. I am not of that opinion. I think that it was inadvertent, that he and Christie were taking similar Ginseng supplements and not realizing that the other stuff in the supplement, would cause a positive on a test. I think the USOC and the IOC can be embarassed about it, since in the case of other athletes they have not been so lenient. But to me, the use of steroids, gh and blood doping are more serious forms of cheating. Amphetamines rank below them in my opinion, they help an athlete lose weight faster for sure, but taken before a race, do they help shave a tenth of a second in the 100m, I am doubtful. Certainly not all sprinters require amphetamines. You would have to show me more than a single positive, for me go along with the premise that Lewis is a cheater.Carl Lewis was a terrific example of drug cheating at the 1984 Olympics where blood transfusions were standard practice. Can you spell Ramada Inn in Carson?

Nike employed many drug cheats after those victories:
Marion Jones
Tim Montgomery
CJ Hunter
Regina Jacobs
Michelle Collins
Kelli White
Tori Edwards
LaTasha jenkins
Justin Gatlin
Lance Armstrong
Barry Bonds
Jason Giambi

Roid factories, aka Pharmacies are everywhere in the USA: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17368148/

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you are off point, as is your style. We are talking about Carl Lewis, not the prevalent use of performance enhancing drugs in use today, which I did not argue in my original post.

Carl Lewis was a terrific example of drug cheating at the 1984 Olympics where blood transfusions were standard practice. Can you spell Ramada Inn in Carson?

Nike employed many drug cheats after those victories:
Marion Jones
Tim Montgomery
CJ Hunter
Regina Jacobs
Michelle Collins
Kelli White
Tori Edwards
LaTasha jenkins
Justin Gatlin
Lance Armstrong
Barry Bonds
Jason Giambi

Roid factories, aka Pharmacies are everywhere in the USA: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17368148/

Blah blah blah blah blah

you are off point, as is your style. We are talking about Carl Lewis, not the prevalent use of performance enhancing drugs in use today, which I did not argue in my original post.Carl Lewis is and still is a screaming drug addict.

Apparently you don't get out much.

He even high speed crashed his Jaguar on HWY 101 recently.

Olympic Gold Standard (so-called) drug testing ALLOWS for:

testsoterone
hGH
insulin
EPO
IGF-1
blood transfsuions
Clomid
Salbutamol
certain classes of amphetamines
Viagra

btw: How is Flo Jo doing? Oh---I forgot, she had heart failure like Pantani.