It's killing me but..........

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Who's the first author and what is the year of publication?
I can't find it and want to read the full article.I don't know if it is the same study BullGod referred to, but here is a study done in Australia that indicates that short-duration high-intensity intervals (e.g., 30s) result in adaptations of anaerobic capacity, VO2MAX and FTP http://www.ausport.gov.au/fulltext/2001/acsms/papers/LAUR.pdf.

But, I caution you against concluding from this study that the best way to increase VO2MAX or FTP is with 30s intervals. High-intensity efforts result in adaptations more broadly than the targeted energy system, but that does not mean there is not a more effective way to target those adaptations.

so I am thinking a balanced mix of 30 second, 5 minute and 20 minute intervals at the relevant intensities would all help increase FTP, and not just exclusively concentrating on Level 4.
I would love to occasionally incorporate some 30 second intervals into my training schedule. Alas, until I buy a trainer for use at home, 30 second intervals are out of the question. The trainers in the gym go up to 350Watts and that's it.:( Yesterday 1 minute intervals at @ 350Watts felt easyish. At the thirty second point I was cruising, so god knows what wattage I'm capable of for 30 secs.
I think the time is fast approaching when I shall have to splash out on a trainer.;) TYSON

I would love to occasionally incorporate some 30 second intervals into my training schedule. Alas, until I buy a trainer for use at home, 30 second intervals are out of the question. The trainers in the gym go up to 350Watts and that's it.:( Yesterday 1 minute intervals at @ 350Watts felt easyish. At the thirty second point I was cruising, so god knows what wattage I'm capable of for 30 secs.
I think the time is fast approaching when I shall have to splash out on a trainer.;) TYSONHow about some subliminal messages via the radio whispering, "p o w e r m e t e r, p o w e r m e t e r, p o w e r m e t e r, p o w e r m e t e r, p o w e r m e t e r, p o w e r m e t e r, ....). Ha!:)

Best of luck this weekend.

How about some subliminal messages via the radio whispering, "p o w e r m e t e r, p o w e r m e t e r, p o w e r m e t e r, p o w e r m e t e r, p o w e r m e t e r, p o w e r m e t e r, ....). Ha!:)

Best of luck this weekend.
I'm overwhelmed by all the well wishes, but eh guys it's no big deal, just a little sightseeing tour of a few Japanese mountains.;) Lung bursting it maybe, but that's the name of our game. My only concern is if I'm not with a bunch, getting lost, or getting lost with a bunch and adding on another 50km or so, and of course getting back in the dark.:(

As for my own indoor trainer and powermeter, I have some money tucked away in that great American institute Citibank, :) but my wife won't let me tap it, and rightly so I suppose as I have an 8 year old daughter who is going to need educating.
However, next Summer when I cash in my private pensions, that's it - I'm the boss, and powermeter it is. (and trainer??) I have my wife's permission to say this.:D

However, next Summer when I cash in my private pensions, that's it - I'm the boss, and powermeter it is. (and trainer??) I have my wife's permission to say this.:DYou should have some interesting options by then. You can go super first class with the SRM Pro, and the PT SL2.4 should have any early production bugs worked out, Polar will have launched their new, wireless model, iBike should have some resolution (or not) of some of their problems, iPedals (or whatever it's called) might be available and who knows what else (some of which I could tell you about but then I'd have to send the black hats over to make you disappear). And then you can do what I know you are dying to do, get immersed in NP, IF, TSS, CTL, ATL and HIDU ("Help, I don't understand.").:D

You should have some interesting options by then. You can go super first class with the SRM Pro, and the PT SL2.4 should have any early production bugs worked out, Polar will have launched their new, wireless model, iBike should have some resolution (or not) of some of their problems, iPedals (or whatever it's called) might be available and who knows what else (some of which I could tell you about but then I'd have to send the black hats over to make you disappear). And then you can do what I know you are dying to do, get immersed in NP, IF, TSS, CTL, ATL and HIDU ("Help, I don't understand.").:DI don't know RD, but I think a lot of people (perhaps half) of the people who are following this thread prefer "KISS" which is what I do. The other half like all the technical details, of which you are the undisputed (and uncrowned ;) ) King.

Perhaps, if I started talking in "Acronymish", we would lose half of our readers.:D

You should have some interesting options by then. You can go super first class with the SRM Pro, and the PT SL2.4 should have any early production bugs worked out, Polar will have launched their new, wireless model, iBike should have some resolution (or not) of some of their problems, iPedals (or whatever it's called) might be available and who knows what else (some of which I could tell you about but then I'd have to send the black hats over to make you disappear). And then you can do what I know you are dying to do, get immersed in NP, IF, TSS, CTL, ATL and HIDU ("Help, I don't understand.").:DTSB, Kj, W, PMC, MMP, FTP, NMP, AWC, CP, VO2, PE, w/kg, VI, AEPF, CPV, CdA, CRR :D :D :D

TSB, Kj, W, PMC, MMP, FTP, NMP, AWC, CP, VO2, PE, w/kg, VI, AEPF, CPV, CdA, CRR :D :D :DWhat are AEPF and CPV?:confused:

What are AEPF and CPV?:confused:
Obvious RD.

AEPF = After Effects of reading the Power Forum

CPV = Climbing using Power Violently

Hope that helps.;)

As for my own indoor trainer and powermeter, I have some money tucked away in that great American institute Citibank, :) but my wife won't let me tap it, and rightly so I suppose as I have an 8 year old daughter who is going to need educating.
However, next Summer when I cash in my private pensions, that's it - I'm the boss, and powermeter it is. (and trainer??) I have my wife's permission to say this.:DI ordered the KK trainer & computer on Monday and revealed to my wife last night that it was being shipped. I told her I found a good deal and had to jump on it and she said, "that's fine, but you can't use until after X-mas.":( She wants to count it as a gift.

Thought I could slip that move through, but she took my knight with her queen.:)


I will be thinking about the fun you will be having on that lung bursting senic joy ride through the Japanese mountains.

I ordered the KK trainer & computer on Monday and revealed to my wife last night that it was being shipped. I told her I found a good deal and had to jump on it and she said, "that's fine, but you can't use until after X-mas.":( She wants to count it as a gift.

Thought I could slip that move through, but she took my knight with her queen.:)


I will be thinking about the fun you will be having on that lung bursting senic joy ride through the Japanese mountains.FR, I've been racking my brains trying to get you out of check, but your wife is too smart. The only thing I can think of is; tell her you are going to withold your "favours" until she lets you use the trainer. That should do the trick.:D

Fun? Yeah, look at the expression of joy on my face. :(

Today, all I've had is 2 coffees, one sip of diet coke and one protein drink tonight before I go to bed. Please no one post and say I'm bananas, I know exactly what I'm doing.
Tomorrow I shall start of with a banana, at lunch time I shall have a protein drink and early evening a large plate of pasta. On Sunday, trust me I shall have lost 3 pounds at least and have no fear I shall be strong on the climbs.
I used to do this when I was running competitively. except sometimes I wouldn't eat anything the day before or the day of the run. A kind of Kenyan calorie depletion diet.;)

The only difference between the cycling and the running will be that I will eat 3 bananas and 2 or 3 Powerbars during the ride.

.......Please no one post and say I'm bananas, I know exactly what I'm doing.
Tomorrow I shall start of with a banana, at lunch time I shall have a protein drink and early evening a large plate of pasta. On Sunday, trust me I shall have lost 3 pounds at least and have no fear I shall be strong on the climbs.I won't say your crazy unless you are going to eat that plate of pasta without Alfredo or Marinara sauce:D

(Of course I say that because I am very hungry right now and all I have to look forward to in the next few minutes is oatmeal:()

What are AEPF and CPV?:confused:

From Quadrant Analysis, AEPF = average effective pedal force and CPV = Circumferential pedal velocity

greg

FR, I've been racking my brains trying to get you out of check, but your wife is too smart. The only thing I can think of is; tell her you are going to withold your "favours" until she lets you use the trainer. That should do the trick.:D

Fun? Yeah, look at the expression of joy on my face. :(

Today, all I've had is 2 coffees, one sip of diet coke and one protein drink tonight before I go to bed. Please no one post and say I'm bananas, I know exactly what I'm doing.
Tomorrow I shall start of with a banana, at lunch time I shall have a protein drink and early evening a large plate of pasta. On Sunday, trust me I shall have lost 3 pounds at least and have no fear I shall be strong on the climbs.
I used to do this when I was running competitively. except sometimes I wouldn't eat anything the day before or the day of the run. A kind of Kenyan calorie depletion diet.;)

The only difference between the cycling and the running will be that I will eat 3 bananas and 2 or 3 Powerbars during the ride.
Wow! I can't imagine such a prerace diet, but I guess you have tried it and it seems to work so I can't argue with success. What is the rational behind this diet? Just curious doesn't one burn more calories cycling than running?

Wow! I can't imagine such a prerace diet, but I guess you have tried it and it seems to work so I can't argue with success. What is the rational behind this diet? Just curious doesn't one burn more calories cycling than running?
I should have added that I wouldn't recommend anyone to copy my pre-ride diet. There is no rationale except that it seems to work for me. I can actually go out on a 50 mile ride on an empty stomach and only consume a small bottle of water without in adverse effect, apart from feeling hungry that is. These days I do however, eat a banana before my Sunday ride and consume half to one powerbar during the ride. Mind you, just recently I'd got to 30 mile before I realized I'd forgotten to eat a banana before setting off. It was still sitting on the table when I got back. :)

Why did I adopt this habit when I use to run and why do I on occasion still do it? I simply found that I felt a lot lighter and stronger; having something more substantial before exertion induced a lethargic feeling having to carry that extra weight with me.

Sunday's ride will be extremely taxing, so as I said I shall consume 2-3 bananas and 2-3 powerbars. Whether I actually need to consume so much is debatable - but just in case.;)

I ordered the KK trainer & computer on Monday and revealed to my wife last night that it was being shipped. I told her I found a good deal and had to jump on it and she said, "that's fine, but you can't use until after X-mas.":( She wants to count it as a gift.

Thought I could slip that move through, but she took my knight with her queen.:)Well, the "gift" can be an increase in FTP, which of course can't be "opened" without using the trainer.:D

Well, the "gift" can be an increase in FTP, which of course can't be "opened" without using the trainer.:Dsooooooo what you're saying is we need our wives (with exception to Lucy) to keep up with "It's killing me but...." thread so that they will also know the definition of TSB, Kj, W, PMC, MMP, FTP, NMP, AWC, CP, VO2, PE, w/kg, VI, AEPF, CPV, CdA, CRR?:D

I suppose the spin bike will have to suffice for the moment lest I end up in checkmate. I purchased another road bike this summer along with the Garmin Edge and a set of custom built wheels so I am really pushing my wife limits as for biking equipment this year.

I think I like Tyson's advice of holding back "favours". All though that could also put me in checkmate as well. The queen holds more power on the board than we think.:)

I purchased another road bike this summer along with the Garmin Edge and a set of custom built wheels so I am really pushing my wife limits as for biking equipment this year.Wow, I'll say you're pushing the limits. Sounds like it's time for a gift certificate to the local spa.;)

I think I like Tyson's advice of holding back "favours". All though that could also put me in checkmate as well. The queen holds more power on the board than we think.:)My theory is that carrots work better than sticks.;)

RD, what is bad is that I could have easily bought the SRM or PT this summer instead of all the other stuff (I do like my new six13), but it wasn't until this thread did I see the importance of using a PM.

I would have been one of those guys that could have benefited one of your PP presentations.

To me (I have to use weightlifting because that is my specialty) it would be like working toward a powerlifting meet where you are peaking for a 1 rep max at competition and yet during your training there are plates without numbers and you have no ideal how much weight you have on the bar nor how much you are increasing each week.

Using a PM makes complete sense to me now because it is a great way a cyclist can accurately track growth or progress. A powerlifter can easily track because you know if you are adding 25 lbs from the previous week or if you are adding 2 1/2 lbs.

Soon I will be able to track performance / progress and someone is going to pay dearly next spring on the club rides.:)

I would have been one of those guys that could have benefited one of your PP presentations.Send me a PM and I'll email it to you.

Using a PM makes complete sense to me now because it is a great way a cyclist can accurately track growth or progress.We are incredibly fortunate because we can directly measure our intensity of effort and can be very discrete in targeting specific adaptations. Few other sports have this luxury. Even sports such as swimming where speed (i.e., elapsed time per lap) is a good proxy for intensity of effort have to deal with the interaction between stroke efficiency and intensity of effort.

Soon I will be able to track performance / progress and someone is going to pay dearly next spring on the club rides.:)Careful, now, you'll get Lucy on your case for such primordial motivations.:D