Poll: What's your Functional Threshold power?

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the holster 370 67 5.52
Camoscio 340 62 5.48
scotmart 385 72 5.35 19:58 (47:21 on a 37.8km course)
musher 340 64 5.31
bigmatt 396 75 5.28
BullGod 365 70 5.21
joemw 354 68 5.20
whoawhoa 320 62.5 5.12
gvanwagner 325 64 5.08
musher 318 65 4.89
Markster 335 70 4.79 19:57 51:55
gonzalovilaseca 310 68 4.56
kennethn 320 70.3 4.55
JohnMeyers 350 77 4.54
PSUCycling 305 68 4.48 (40k 58:30 @ 250W ave-asthema!)
peterpen 290 65 4.46
zaskar 280 63 4.44
joule 266 60 4.43
HammerHead 300 68 4.41
bikeguy 315 72 4.38 5 km rolling TT, 7:15; standard, no aero bars, after 90k
rouleur 315 72 4.38
Thorman 340 78 4.36
Chowderm 325 75 4.33 52:19
Lazy Llama 286 66 4.33 13.3 mi TT, 30:12
dshep27283 345 80 4.31
postal_bag 325 76 4.28
RobM 312 73 4.27
cadence230 280 4.24
mattv2099 314 75 4.19
Stanette 313 75 4.17
Atsic 252 61 4.13
yzfrr11 310 75 4.13
Xav 318 77 4.13
pledac 285 69 4.13
Spunout 280 68 4.12
RapDaddyo 325 80 4.06
jbvcoaching 310 77 4.03 21:10 52:17
velobob 310 77 4.03
jack.hutchinson 285 71 4.01
bspurgeon 315 78.5 3.99
K50 275 69 3.99, (no TT's) all XC baby!
cube 290 73 3.97
Old Junker 250 63 3.97
NomadVW 317 80 3.96
velomanct 310 79 3.92
My02Sti 305 79 3.86
Otb4evr 385 100 3.85 22:19 58:48
BlueJersey 230 60 3.83
robkit 280 75 3.73
11ring 256 70 3.66 22.10
sugaken 240 66 3.64
amartinez 242 67 3.61
woodgab 321 89 3.61
bigbevans 260 73 3.56 21:30 (270 w) 56:46
Hookyrider 284 80 3.55
Krazyderek 260 78 3.33
AndROOb 232 71 3.27
spomanski 310 96 3.23
netscriber 143 47 3.04
beerco 220 78 2.82
fmarques25 204 74 2.76
offthebackCT 200 76 2.63

Age 46, normalized power numbers for 31 minutes of ride time, starting 38 minutes into a 2hr mtb race...too lazy thus far to push myself to do some real testing numbers.

the holster 370 67 5.52
Camoscio 340 62 5.48
scotmart 385 72 5.35 19:58 (47:21 on a 37.8km course)
musher 340 64 5.31
bigmatt 396 75 5.28
BullGod 365 70 5.21
joemw 354 68 5.20
whoawhoa 320 62.5 5.12
gvanwagner 325 64 5.08
musher 318 65 4.89
Markster 335 70 4.79 19:57 51:55
gonzalovilaseca 310 68 4.56
kennethn 320 70.3 4.55
JohnMeyers 350 77 4.54
PSUCycling 305 68 4.48 (40k 58:30 @ 250W ave-asthema!)
peterpen 290 65 4.46
zaskar 280 63 4.44
joule 266 60 4.43
HammerHead 300 68 4.41
bikeguy 315 72 4.38 5 km rolling TT, 7:15; standard, no aero bars, after 90k
rouleur 315 72 4.38
Thorman 340 78 4.36
Chowderm 325 75 4.33 52:19
Lazy Llama 286 66 4.33 13.3 mi TT, 30:12
dshep27283 345 80 4.31
postal_bag 325 76 4.28
RobM 312 73 4.27
cadence230 280 4.24
mattv2099 314 75 4.19
Stanette 313 75 4.17
Atsic 252 61 4.13
yzfrr11 310 75 4.13
Xav 318 77 4.13
pledac 285 69 4.13
Spunout 280 68 4.12
RapDaddyo 325 80 4.06
jbvcoaching 310 77 4.03 21:10 52:17
velobob 310 77 4.03
jack.hutchinson 285 71 4.01
bspurgeon 315 78.5 3.99
K50 275 69 3.99, (no TT's) all XC baby!
cube 290 73 3.97
Old Junker 250 63 3.97
NomadVW 317 80 3.96
velomanct 310 79 3.92
My02Sti 305 79 3.86
Otb4evr 385 100 3.85 22:19 58:48
BlueJersey 230 60 3.83
robkit 280 75 3.73
Trailhead 312 84 3.71
11ring 256 70 3.66 22.10
sugaken 240 66 3.64
amartinez 242 67 3.61
woodgab 321 89 3.61
bigbevans 260 73 3.56 21:30 (270 w) 56:46
Hookyrider 284 80 3.55
Krazyderek 260 78 3.33
AndROOb 232 71 3.27
spomanski 310 96 3.23
netscriber 143 47 3.04
beerco 220 78 2.82
fmarques25 204 74 2.76
offthebackCT 200 76 2.63

8 watts is 8 watts.:)

Originally Posted by offthebackCT
the holster 370 67 5.52
Camoscio 340 62 5.48
scotmart 385 72 5.35 19:58 (47:21 on a 37.8km course)
musher 340 64 5.31
bigmatt 396 75 5.28
BullGod 365 70 5.21
joemw 354 68 5.20
whoawhoa 320 62.5 5.12
gvanwagner 325 64 5.08
musher 318 65 4.89
Markster 335 70 4.79 19:57 51:55
gonzalovilaseca 310 68 4.56
kennethn 320 70.3 4.55
JohnMeyers 350 77 4.54
PSUCycling 305 68 4.48 (40k 58:30 @ 250W ave-asthema!)
peterpen 290 65 4.46
zaskar 280 63 4.44
joule 266 60 4.43
HammerHead 300 68 4.41
bikeguy 315 72 4.38 5 km rolling TT, 7:15; standard, no aero bars, after 90k
rouleur 315 72 4.38
postal_bag 333 76 4.38
Thorman 340 78 4.36
Chowderm 325 75 4.33 52:19
Lazy Llama 286 66 4.33 13.3 mi TT, 30:12
dshep27283 345 80 4.31
RobM 312 73 4.27
cadence230 280 4.24
mattv2099 314 75 4.19
Stanette 313 75 4.17
Atsic 252 61 4.13
yzfrr11 310 75 4.13
Xav 318 77 4.13
pledac 285 69 4.13
Spunout 280 68 4.12
RapDaddyo 325 80 4.06
jbvcoaching 310 77 4.03 21:10 52:17
velobob 310 77 4.03
jack.hutchinson 285 71 4.01
bspurgeon 315 78.5 3.99
K50 275 69 3.99, (no TT's) all XC baby!
cube 290 73 3.97
Old Junker 250 63 3.97
NomadVW 317 80 3.96
velomanct 310 79 3.92
My02Sti 305 79 3.86
Otb4evr 385 100 3.85 22:19 58:48
BlueJersey 230 60 3.83
robkit 280 75 3.73
Trailhead 312 84 3.71
11ring 256 70 3.66 22.10
sugaken 240 66 3.64
amartinez 242 67 3.61
woodgab 321 89 3.61
bigbevans 260 73 3.56 21:30 (270 w) 56:46
Hookyrider 284 80 3.55
Krazyderek 260 78 3.33
AndROOb 232 71 3.27
spomanski 310 96 3.23
netscriber 143 47 3.04
beerco 220 78 2.82
fmarques25 204 74 2.76
offthebackCT 200 76 2.63

8 watts is 8 watts.:) Strogly Agree:)

the holster 370 67 5.52
Camoscio 340 62 5.48
scotmart 385 72 5.35 19:58 (47:21 on a 37.8km course)
musher 340 64 5.31
bigmatt 396 75 5.28
BullGod 365 70 5.21
joemw 354 68 5.20
whoawhoa 320 62.5 5.12
gvanwagner 325 64 5.08
musher 318 65 4.89
Markster 335 70 4.79 19:57 51:55
gonzalovilaseca 310 68 4.56
kennethn 320 70.3 4.55
JohnMeyers 350 77 4.54
PSUCycling 305 68 4.48 (40k 58:30 @ 250W ave-asthema!)
peterpen 290 65 4.46
zaskar 280 63 4.44
joule 266 60 4.43
HammerHead 300 68 4.41
bikeguy 315 72 4.38 5 km rolling TT, 7:15; standard, no aero bars, after 90k
rouleur 315 72 4.38
postal_bag 333 76 4.38
Thorman 340 78 4.36
Chowderm 325 75 4.33 52:19
Lazy Llama 286 66 4.33 13.3 mi TT, 30:12
dshep27283 345 80 4.31
RobM 312 73 4.27
cadence230 280 4.24
mattv2099 314 75 4.19
Stanette 313 75 4.17
Atsic 252 61 4.13
yzfrr11 310 75 4.13
Xav 318 77 4.13
pledac 285 69 4.13
Spunout 280 68 4.12
RapDaddyo 325 80 4.06
jbvcoaching 310 77 4.03 21:10 52:17
velobob 310 77 4.03
jack.hutchinson 285 71 4.01
bspurgeon 315 78.5 3.99
K50 275 69 3.99, (no TT's) all XC baby!
cube 290 73 3.97
Old Junker 250 63 3.97
NomadVW 317 80 3.96
velomanct 310 79 3.92
My02Sti 305 79 3.86
Otb4evr 385 100 3.85 22:19 58:48
BlueJersey 230 60 3.83
robkit 280 75 3.73
amartinez 250 67 3.73
Trailhead 312 84 3.71
11ring 256 70 3.66 22.10
sugaken 240 66 3.64
woodgab 321 89 3.61
bigbevans 260 73 3.56 21:30 (270 w) 56:46
Hookyrider 284 80 3.55
Krazyderek 260 78 3.33
AndROOb 232 71 3.27
spomanski 310 96 3.23
netscriber 143 47 3.04
beerco 220 78 2.82
fmarques25 204 74 2.76
offthebackCT 200 76 2.63

the holster 370 67 5.52
Camoscio 340 62 5.48
scotmart 385 72 5.35 19:58 (47:21 on a 37.8km course)
musher 340 64 5.31
bigmatt 396 75 5.28
BullGod 365 70 5.21
joemw 354 68 5.20
whoawhoa 320 62.5 5.12
gvanwagner 325 64 5.08
musher 318 65 4.89
Markster 335 70 4.79 19:57 51:55
gonzalovilaseca 310 68 4.56
kennethn 320 70.3 4.55
JohnMeyers 350 77 4.54
PSUCycling 305 68 4.48 (40k 58:30 @ 250W ave-asthema!)
peterpen 290 65 4.46
zaskar 280 63 4.44
midbunchlurker 275 62 4.43
joule 266 60 4.43
HammerHead 300 68 4.41
bikeguy 315 72 4.38 5 km rolling TT, 7:15; standard, no aero bars, after 90k
rouleur 315 72 4.38
postal_bag 333 76 4.38
Thorman 340 78 4.36
Chowderm 325 75 4.33 52:19
Lazy Llama 286 66 4.33 13.3 mi TT, 30:12
dshep27283 345 80 4.31
RobM 312 73 4.27
cadence230 280 4.24
mattv2099 314 75 4.19
Stanette 313 75 4.17
Atsic 252 61 4.13
yzfrr11 310 75 4.13
Xav 318 77 4.13
pledac 285 69 4.13
Spunout 280 68 4.12
RapDaddyo 325 80 4.06
jbvcoaching 310 77 4.03 21:10 52:17
velobob 310 77 4.03
jack.hutchinson 285 71 4.01
bspurgeon 315 78.5 3.99
K50 275 69 3.99, (no TT's) all XC baby!
cube 290 73 3.97
Old Junker 250 63 3.97
NomadVW 317 80 3.96
velomanct 310 79 3.92
My02Sti 305 79 3.86
Otb4evr 385 100 3.85 22:19 58:48
BlueJersey 230 60 3.83
robkit 280 75 3.73
amartinez 250 67 3.73
Trailhead 312 84 3.71
11ring 256 70 3.66 22.10
sugaken 240 66 3.64
woodgab 321 89 3.61
bigbevans 260 73 3.56 21:30 (270 w) 56:46
Hookyrider 284 80 3.55
Krazyderek 260 78 3.33
AndROOb 232 71 3.27
spomanski 310 96 3.23
netscriber 143 47 3.04
beerco 220 78 2.82
fmarques25 204 74 2.76
offthebackCT 200 76 2.63

the holster 370 67 5.52
Camoscio 340 62 5.48
scotmart 385 72 5.35 19:58 (47:21 on a 37.8km course)
musher 340 64 5.31
bigmatt 396 75 5.28
BullGod 365 70 5.21
joemw 354 68 5.20
whoawhoa 320 62.5 5.12
gvanwagner 325 64 5.08
musher 318 65 4.89
Markster 335 70 4.79 19:57 51:55
gonzalovilaseca 310 68 4.56
kennethn 320 70.3 4.55
JohnMeyers 350 77 4.54
PSUCycling 305 68 4.48 (40k 58:30 @ 250W ave-asthema!)
peterpen 290 65 4.46
zaskar 280 63 4.44
midbunchlurker 275 62 4.43
joule 266 60 4.43
HammerHead 300 68 4.41
bikeguy 315 72 4.38 5 km rolling TT, 7:15; standard, no aero bars, after 90k
rouleur 315 72 4.38
postal_bag 333 76 4.38
Thorman 340 78 4.36
Chowderm 325 75 4.33 52:19
Lazy Llama 286 66 4.33 13.3 mi TT, 30:12
dshep27283 345 80 4.31
RobM 312 73 4.27
cadence230 280 4.24
mattv2099 314 75 4.19
Stanette 313 75 4.17
Atsic 252 61 4.13
yzfrr11 310 75 4.13
Xav 318 77 4.13
pledac 285 69 4.13
Spunout 280 68 4.12
RapDaddyo 325 80 4.06
jbvcoaching 310 77 4.03 21:10 52:17
velobob 310 77 4.03
jack.hutchinson 285 71 4.01
PeterWright 280 70 4
bspurgeon 315 78.5 3.99
K50 275 69 3.99, (no TT's) all XC baby!
cube 290 73 3.97
Old Junker 250 63 3.97
NomadVW 317 80 3.96
velomanct 310 79 3.92
My02Sti 305 79 3.86
Otb4evr 385 100 3.85 22:19 58:48
BlueJersey 230 60 3.83
robkit 280 75 3.73
amartinez 250 67 3.73
Trailhead 312 84 3.71
11ring 256 70 3.66 22.10
sugaken 240 66 3.64
woodgab 321 89 3.61
bigbevans 260 73 3.56 21:30 (270 w) 56:46
Hookyrider 284 80 3.55
Krazyderek 260 78 3.33
AndROOb 232 71 3.27
spomanski 310 96 3.23
netscriber 143 47 3.04
beerco 220 78 2.82
fmarques25 204 74 2.76
offthebackCT 200 76 2.63
Peter

This is theoretical but heres what i am using as my base to work from:


41 years old
257 watts
71.4kg

4 months of riding. (I was cat 3 in in the late 80's). Good TT (Sub 56 40k) and road racer (8th in USCF State Road Race Cat1-3).

I am losing weight and doing 5 rides a week, concentrating on becoming a bike rider again with speed work, strength endurance work, anything i can fit into my life. Not worried about ftp yet as I wont race till March at the earliest with a long season planned.

FTP ~ 380ish
Weight ~ 68kgs
Age ~ 26
Best Recent Result ~ A Win
Years Racing ~ 1 (5 races as a 5, 1 as a 4)
When I wrote this 10 months ago I honestly believed it to be the truth. I had been doing cross training on a stepmill in the gym for 30-45 minutes a day and for whatever delusional reason thought the watts on that machine's display were accurate and crossed over to cycling. It was a bit of a shocker in my first hard efforts to find out my FTP had dropped to just a bit over 300 with so much time off the bike. I'm stoked to say that it is now indeed in the 380ish range, give or take 10 watts depending on how fresh my legs feel. Yay for me.

Moral of the story, cross training is great for keeping the mind fresh, cycling is great for cycling.

I've charted the poll results to put on my blog.

http://www.yaffle.demon.co.uk/ftp.jpg
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Mark
The extra mile is never crowded. http://markliversedge.blogspot.com

the holster 370 67 5.52
Camoscio 340 62 5.48
scotmart 385 72 5.35 19:58 (47:21 on a 37.8km course)
musher 340 64 5.31
bigmatt 396 75 5.28
BullGod 365 70 5.21
joemw 354 68 5.20
whoawhoa 320 62.5 5.12
gvanwagner 325 64 5.08
musher 318 65 4.89
Markster 335 70 4.79 19:57 51:55
gonzalovilaseca 310 68 4.56
kennethn 320 70.3 4.55
JohnMeyers 350 77 4.54
PSUCycling 305 68 4.48 (40k 58:30 @ 250W ave-asthema!)
peterpen 290 65 4.46
zaskar 280 63 4.44
midbunchlurker 275 62 4.43
joule 266 60 4.43
HammerHead 300 68 4.41
bikeguy 315 72 4.38 5 km rolling TT, 7:15; standard, no aero bars, after 90k
rouleur 315 72 4.38
postal_bag 333 76 4.38
Thorman 340 78 4.36
Chowderm 325 75 4.33 52:19
Lazy Llama 286 66 4.33 13.3 mi TT, 30:12
dshep27283 345 80 4.31
RobM 312 73 4.27
cadence230 280 4.24
mattv2099 314 75 4.19
Stanette 313 75 4.17
Atsic 252 61 4.13
yzfrr11 310 75 4.13
Xav 318 77 4.13
pledac 285 69 4.13
Spunout 280 68 4.12
NomadVW 322 78 4.12
RapDaddyo 325 80 4.06
jbvcoaching 310 77 4.03 21:10 52:17
velobob 310 77 4.03
jack.hutchinson 285 71 4.01
PeterWright 280 70 4
bspurgeon 315 78.5 3.99
K50 275 69 3.99, (no TT's) all XC baby!
cube 290 73 3.97
Old Junker 250 63 3.97
velomanct 310 79 3.92
My02Sti 305 79 3.86
Otb4evr 385 100 3.85 22:19 58:48
BlueJersey 230 60 3.83
robkit 280 75 3.73
amartinez 250 67 3.73
Trailhead 312 84 3.71
11ring 256 70 3.66 22.10
sugaken 240 66 3.64
woodgab 321 89 3.61
bigbevans 260 73 3.56 21:30 (270 w) 56:46
Hookyrider 284 80 3.55
Krazyderek 260 78 3.33
AndROOb 232 71 3.27
spomanski 310 96 3.23
netscriber 143 47 3.04
beerco 220 78 2.82
fmarques25 204 74 2.76
offthebackCT 200 76 2.63

2 kilos of weight loss in two months and about 5 watts more. I swear it doesn't feel like it when I'm pedaling half the time but the numbers said so. I think it's all the hill work I've done, plus bumping training time a whole lot.

VW

I know this may be a dumb question, but is this thread using Functional Threshold Power synonymously with Lactate Threshold Power??

Also, is a person's best average power for 2 20 minute time trials the number that is being posted here? I am tending to think that there are numbers posted here that were generated with vastly different measuring protocols, so we are in some sense comparing "apples and oranges" in a lot of cases. I have averaged 322 watts for an hour on a RealAxiom Virtual Trainer at my Lactate Threshold heart rate. Does this translate to a higher power number if my test was for average power for only 2 20 minutes intervals? Also, because I test on the electric trainer, is it optimistic (higher number) or pessimistic (lower number) versus, say a Computrainer or Power Tap, or any other wattage measuring device?? Some one please clear the fog for me...Thanks...

My $0.02 worth...

I am tending to think that there are numbers posted here that were generated with vastly different measuring protocols, so we are in some sense comparing "apples and oranges" in a lot of cases.
For determining FTP, I believe most - if not all - are using something from here:
http://lists.topica.com/lists/wattage/read/message.html?mid=910289158

I can't answer the question whether or not the power readings on the trainer you mentioned are of value. But if you can average 322watts for an hour - and that's an all out effort - then that's one of the above stated ways. If you could have done more, then the FTP is higher.

VW

One more thing to add; it appears not everyone is mentioning if their power figures were obtained while maintaining their Lactate Threshold Heart Rate. I'm fairly certain that I could average a higher output figure (>322) for 2 20min intervals if I exceeded my tested result of 152 for my LTHR. This leads me back to my original question: For purposes of this thread, are we to use Lactate Threshold Power and Functional Threshold Power synonymously?? It appears to me most respondents are, but it also appears they aren't in reality the same.
I need the fog cleared...

I know it's Christmas day, but I can't sleep...:)

One more thing to add; it appears not everyone is mentioning if their power figures were obtained while maintaining their Lactate Threshold Heart Rate. I'm fairly certain that I could average a higher output figure (>322) for 2 20min intervals if I exceeded my tested result of 152 for my LTHR. This leads me back to my original question: For purposes of this thread, are we to use Lactate Threshold Power and Functional Threshold Power synonymously?? It appears to me most respondents are, but it also appears they aren't in reality the same.
I need the fog cleared...

I know it's Christmas day, but I can't sleep...:)There are a couple of points of confusion in your posts that I can address. First, it's not a good idea to commingle power and heart rate terminology. Your HR at any given power will vary from day to day and even within a single ride. Nobody is estimating FTP based on HR. Functional Threshold Power (FTP) is the constant power the cyclist can maintain for one hour. Lactate Threshold (LT) is the point on the power/blood lactate curve where blood lactate begins to increase exponentially as a function of power. A trained cyclist can typically ride at LT for several hours.

While there is one definition of FTP (and only one true way of measuring it), there are about 7 different ways of estimating FTP as noted by NomadVW above. One of the most popular methods seems to be 0.95 * 20MP, although I think this method often overestimates FTP. My personal preferences are 3x20 and CP (critical power). The 3x20 test is to ride three 20 min constant power intervals at 100%FTP (self-estimated) with a 5min recovery segment at 50%FTP following each 20min effort. The CP test is defined here http://www.velo-fit.com/articles/critical-power.pdf. The reason I prefer the CP method is that I can track my MP at several key durations that correspond to the sweet spots of my AWC, VO2MAX and FTP. I also get a model for estimating my MP at a wide range of durations.

I'm pretty sure that nobody posting here is talking about LT, but they are estimating their FTP in a variety of ways.

Well, if you notice some of the earlier posts, there are some respondents listing their FTP and a FT Heartrate. This is confusing to me. I'm left to wonder if what they listed as their FT HR was constant at the FTP they indicated.

Well, if you notice some of the earlier posts, there are some respondents listing their FTP and a FT Heartrate. This is confusing to me. I'm left to wonder if what they listed as their FT HR was constant at the FTP they indicated.Maybe some people post their HR at FTP. Even those who do probably experienced HR drift during the course of their FTP ride (of almost any duration >= 20mins). Anyway, FTP has only one definition, which is the constant power one can sustain for 60 minutes. The more confusing issue for many is how FTP is estimated. But, it doesn't matter much because it tends to be self-correcting.

Okay, just completed the 2x20 minute test and have 354 FTP @ 86kgs.

Got into cycling in June of this year. Got dropped in first 3 cat 5 races and in 7th race finished 11th out 32. 40 years young in November...
Happy Holidays!!

FTP: 310
Best 1 minute avg watts: 608 (indoors)
Best 5 minute avg watts: 390 (indoors); 420 (outdoors)
Age: 30
Mass: 64.5kg
Years cycling: 4. Currently Cat 2 Road;
Best result: 1st (http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos/2006/aug06/USPROcrit06/index.php?id=/photos/2006/aug06/USPROcrit06/USPROcrit061/Downers2006-03), 2006 Cat 3 Downers Grove National Criterium Championships


I've only had a Power meter for three months now. Testing has shown I've got some room for improvement at FTP in relation to my wattages at VO2 Max. The goal for 2007 is to get my FTP to 5 watts/kg. Back to the saddle...

FTP: 335 (just done th ehour on my newly calibrated KK turbo trainer)
AGE: 36
MASS: 73kg
Body Fat: 10% (bodystat 1500)
RHR: 38 MHR: 180

Years competing: 3

Last years best were a 55:25 25 mile TT giving me 9/96
and a 21:38 10 mile TT giving me 8/112

Managed around 10 top 10 fininshes in various road races (first year doing this) but never a top 3. Need a better kick at the end.

FTP: 298
Age: 52
Mass: 74kg
Years cycling: 2 road (previously 5 offroad). Currently Cat 4 Road
Best result: 10kTT 14:20, 38kTT 54:40

298 is best 60 minutes in a 65 minute test on track, measured with Ergomo, three weeks ago.

I train on track in winter focusing on endurance and raising FTP.