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hi there, strange isnt it,, when i started road racing back in the 60/70, the ring set up was campag 46X54, yes no lies and a 5 speed block usually 13x16x19x22x24, weird eh,, with this set up i and many others rode events from crits around the fyffes babana plant in spalding, to the red rose grand prix in down town manchester( with the cat and fiddle/strines/axe edge/winnats all thrown in.) then one day in the tour of france, a team appeared with 53x42, in one insane moment all "our stuff was old hat, we had to have the biz"..but then we got 6/7/8/9 speed blocks, then silly 10 speed blocks...then the 42 ring was ribbish in came 39 and shimano 38, then the biggest leap BACKWARDS, the compact chainset came on the scene, gladly going out of fashion quicker than it came in..but what is this all about, if you do not "GET THOSE BLOODY MIlES IN " you are wasting the morgage money on equipment which is useless to you... bon courage.

ps must admit, got mi giant tcr down to 7.2 kgs when all mi carbon stuff is on it for a race. mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm still hurts though.
Well BRF, when I started we had 48/52 and a block of 13/15/18/21/24 and I think that gave a range of 108-54ins. Like you I thought that was adequate and was never a problem. Of course, as things progressed so did changing the sprockets. No point in riding the Tour of Boredom in the flatlands of East Anglia with a useless 24 on.
We are from hilly regions, the Pennines were our hunting ground, and good old 2006 used to train in the North Wales mountains. Have any of you sussed out who he is yet?

Dunno really it was OK before you and Ellno turned up, of course he's useless, but he promised to go away, otherwise Lim will bleach him on my orders.
Now then 39x25. I think I've ridden every major col on that gear. Never rode the Alpe, but I reckon 28 could have done it.
You missed a treat today, there is a young lady, an Anglo Kraut called Miss Zabel who was on Long Hill, she's clubless at the moment, but far from useless. She likes company to ride with. She normally wears a green Licher top, and a black lid. So shout Hello and slam the anchors on, and introduce her to Mr Boddington.
Have you seen Charlie? Les West keeps spanking him in LVRC stuff. I've got a funny story about that, but there's no point if you don't know Charlie.
Do I know Charlie? First fell over him sometime in the 60's, fast asleep on the floor in a room above Cowans. He'd just ridden all the way from Belgium with no cash and a couple of Mars bars. Being a youngster I don't think I ever raced with him, but saw him demolish many a good field in the Bowlee Crits and other more serious events.
Since my reappearance on the bike scene he's often been on the start sheet but always DNS. Les is still as powerful as ever, last time I was up the road with him he wouldn't come through because "I don't work with bloody sprinters" He hadn't seen me sprint then!
Who's Miss Zabel ? If it's Ullrica Z, Ive already given her a few lessons in cadence. Taught her all I know and now she's with Malcolm Firth. Something to do with crank length!

Everything that goes round comes round.

We did take an interest in weight back in the old days, and that applies to my uncle before me. But now it's become an obsession, which is a bit mad as most of them seem to be turbo pilots nowadays.
The 42x20 lark is going well, and I say learn to pedal like Armstrong and Roche. I'm quite pleased about this as the site is British one. Oddly enough 42x20 has become a 'title', which i didn't expect. Anyway from Boxing Day onwards I told them to ride 42x18, and then on the 1st Feb they can ride 42x16, so they should by then be capable of getting a decent rpm up. The exception is schoolies and juniors who must stick with 42x18 because of their gear restrictions. But I'm trying to work out something for the Juniors when they go out on a chain gang. Like they can only ride all their restricted gears when doing this, but must go back to 42x18 when solo training. What do the accumulated brains on here think of that, I'd value your opinions.
I don't bother with all that turbo rubbish, I've got Malcolm Firth for that. Those turbo pilots are not going to go off the radar, they're here to stay. Bleedin' Americans.


Aye Fred I'm with ya - but reading some of the posts here, some think that because the bike is ultra light and ultra gizzmo that they'll still be able to stuff their faces and the bike will get 'em from A to B.
That's why I agree with the Biker and yourself - get the miles in.
It's the rider and not the bike (in that order).

Aye Fred I'm with ya - but reading some of the posts here, some think that because the bike is ultra light and ultra gizzmo that they'll still be able to stuff their faces and the bike will get 'em from A to B.
That's why I agree with the Biker and yourself - get the miles in.
It's the rider and not the bike (in that order).

Lim, if one had "Rembrants Brushes" could one paint a masterpiece, I think not, however some would like to think it is possible, your dead right of course, get the miles in and see what comes of the effort.

It would appear that everyonre is in total agreement over the cadence issue, the power pack attached to the seat of the bicycle and that ultra light is a modern phenomenon that will not go away. Although as I said before we cannot turn back the clock on such matters as modern technology, there is however a lot to be said for understanding the issues of heart rate and the relation between carbohydrates, fats and protein as a sources of energy etc., etc. and other modern methods of training.

I know BRF will advocate just getting out and doing the miles and while I agree there is no substitute for hard work on the bike, it helps to have a knowledge of these other very important issues when it comes to racing.

By using the heart rate as a measure of fitness and as a virtual yardstick one can gauge how much or how little one is making progress in training.
Whether we like it or not it is relevant in todays approach to training athletes and if we kid ourselves just being able to ride a certain time test at a given speed as credentials for giving advice to up and coming sports people, then we stand the chance of becoming like the proverbial dinosaur.

While this might not sit well with a couple of dinosaurs whos BP could well become elevated by this suggestion, in this day and age a piece of paper on the wall goes a long way to help in paying the bills, believe me.

With regards the use of turbo trainers, like rollers they too have their place and when one sees the advance in technology today it is the case of join 'em or get left behind. Steady BRF, don't choke or yer coffee lad, it's alright, I'm on your side. You mentioned the Campagnolo gear used in the old days, well lad al' I kin say 'bout that is, sheer bloody luxury, wen we wus kids we lived 'int shoe box 'int middle of road, we had it tuf , we 'ad to get up at four o'clock and lick road clean wi our tongues and then eat a hanful of hot gravel fur breakfast.
Gentlemen all, Lim, BRF, Jean D, and of course, you FredC,(dance on the ceiling) It is with a heavy heart that I bid you all a fond farewell for the present. I have enjoyed the reading, however there are more pressing things taxing take my time. I have to leave for foreign shores and time is of the essence, my ship departs for sunnier climbs and I must take my leave of you. Let the season begin in earnest....???? ;) Wink Wink, Nudge Nudge, say no more....??

Aye Fred I'm with ya - but reading some of the posts here, some think that because the bike is ultra light and ultra gizzmo that they'll still be able to stuff their faces and the bike will get 'em from A to B.
That's why I agree with the Biker and yourself - get the miles in.
It's the rider and not the bike (in that order).
hi there, must agree, its a deadly desease this lightweight stuff, as fred c has said its nowt new, even in the bad old days, we all had a pair of luverly light wheels for the sunday race, TT/road,, but we all had to manage on 531 frame, that was the norm, now with carbon /titatium/ alu etc, its down to what you can afford... the comman statement is that when you needed the best you had no money but you have the best now but you are no good, your well passed it..still my syntaci monoc carbon stem and hadlebars look oh so good, all my mates are pi.........ssed of with me for having them,, bon courage.

Lim, if one had "Rembrants Brushes" could one paint a masterpiece, I think not, however some would like to think it is possible, your dead right of course, get the miles in and see what comes of the effort.

It would appear that everyonre is in total agreement over the cadence issue, the power pack attached to the seat of the bicycle and that ultra light is a modern phenomenon that will not go away. Although as I said before we cannot turn back the clock on such matters as modern technology, there is however a lot to be said for understanding the issues of heart rate and the relation between carbohydrates, fats and protein as a sources of energy etc., etc. and other modern methods of training.

I know BRF will advocate just getting out and doing the miles and while I agree there is no substitute for hard work on the bike, it helps to have a knowledge of these other very important issues when it comes to racing.

By using the heart rate as a measure of fitness and as a virtual yardstick one can gauge how much or how little one is making progress in training.
Whether we like it or not it is relevant in todays approach to training athletes and if we kid ourselves just being able to ride a certain time test at a given speed as credentials for giving advice to up and coming sports people, then we stand the chance of becoming like the proverbial dinosaur.

While this might not sit well with a couple of dinosaurs whos BP could well become elevated by this suggestion, in this day and age a piece of paper on the wall goes a long way to help in paying the bills, believe me.

With regards the use of turbo trainers, like rollers they too have their place and when one sees the advance in technology today it is the case of join 'em or get left behind. Steady BRF, don't choke or yer coffee lad, it's alright, I'm on your side. You mentioned the Campagnolo gear used in the old days, well lad al' I kin say 'bout that is, sheer bloody luxury, wen we wus kids we lived 'int shoe box 'int middle of road, we had it tuf , we 'ad to get up at four o'clock and lick road clean wi our tongues and then eat a hanful of hot gravel fur breakfast.
Gentlemen all, Lim, BRF, Jean D, and of course, you FredC,(dance on the ceiling) It is with a heavy heart that I bid you all a fond farewell for the present. I have enjoyed the reading, however there are more pressing things taxing take my time. I have to leave for foreign shores and time is of the essence, my ship departs for sunnier climbs and I must take my leave of you. Let the season begin in earnest....???? ;) Wink Wink, Nudge Nudge, say no more....?? All the best ellno on your sunnier climbs and in your sunnier climes
When we was young we more or less had what was best on the market: campag this an' that, hand made frames, lovely back wheel 5 cogs selected just for the course of the day 13-17 giving the nicest block, 14 to 25 with a 6 block making cog choice difficult - out with the gear tables again -
When I was riding for a living well you had to make do with whatever you were given: Gitane, Peugeot, Mercier (Simplex) etc.. although I usually rode a disguised Pennine thanks very much Johnny God bless your heart. In those days the then old guys all had better gear than us racing men but it did them no good they could'nt hold a candle to us and the same goes for us today I'm afraid.
What's this about David Millar living in Hayfield????
Sun's shining I'm off for a ride no counting revs or tracking heart rate its just nice to be out an enjoying it init:D

Lim, if one had "Rembrants Brushes" could one paint a masterpiece, I think not, however some would like to think it is possible, your dead right of course, get the miles in and see what comes of the effort.

It would appear that everyonre is in total agreement over the cadence issue, the power pack attached to the seat of the bicycle and that ultra light is a modern phenomenon that will not go away. Although as I said before we cannot turn back the clock on such matters as modern technology, there is however a lot to be said for understanding the issues of heart rate and the relation between carbohydrates, fats and protein as a sources of energy etc., etc. and other modern methods of training.

I know BRF will advocate just getting out and doing the miles and while I agree there is no substitute for hard work on the bike, it helps to have a knowledge of these other very important issues when it comes to racing.

By using the heart rate as a measure of fitness and as a virtual yardstick one can gauge how much or how little one is making progress in training.
Whether we like it or not it is relevant in todays approach to training athletes and if we kid ourselves just being able to ride a certain time test at a given speed as credentials for giving advice to up and coming sports people, then we stand the chance of becoming like the proverbial dinosaur.

While this might not sit well with a couple of dinosaurs whos BP could well become elevated by this suggestion, in this day and age a piece of paper on the wall goes a long way to help in paying the bills, believe me.

With regards the use of turbo trainers, like rollers they too have their place and when one sees the advance in technology today it is the case of join 'em or get left behind. Steady BRF, don't choke or yer coffee lad, it's alright, I'm on your side. You mentioned the Campagnolo gear used in the old days, well lad al' I kin say 'bout that is, sheer bloody luxury, wen we wus kids we lived 'int shoe box 'int middle of road, we had it tuf , we 'ad to get up at four o'clock and lick road clean wi our tongues and then eat a hanful of hot gravel fur breakfast.
Gentlemen all, Lim, BRF, Jean D, and of course, you FredC,(dance on the ceiling) It is with a heavy heart that I bid you all a fond farewell for the present. I have enjoyed the reading, however there are more pressing things taxing take my time. I have to leave for foreign shores and time is of the essence, my ship departs for sunnier climbs and I must take my leave of you. Let the season begin in earnest....???? ;) Wink Wink, Nudge Nudge, say no more....??
Fare ye well ancient mariner (I play a Fado lament at this point) may your ship travel swiftly, and you reach your island safely. I only hope that it has none of that new fangled electric lark for pootas, otherwise it will be us that are sunk, and not you. I think we like you now, especially now that you are going away. Any chance that you might bum a lift on that rocket going to Pluto. 10 years to get there, and it doesn't come back.
Here's a little thing to think about. Our heroes are not Anquetil, Gimondi, Aimar, Pingeon, Jannsen, Ocana, Thevenet or even Merckx. We used to duff them up. Our heroes and idols are Bernard Manning, Colin Crompton, Charlie Williams, the Embassy Club, and the Wheeltappers and Shunters Social Club, plus Ken Dodd of course.
As my Hillbilly Redneck friends on Soapbox would say. Y'all come back now, and by the way y'welcome. I'm welling up now.

Lim, if one had "Rembrants Brushes" could one paint a masterpiece, I think not, however some would like to think it is possible, your dead right of course, get the miles in and see what comes of the effort.

It would appear that everyonre is in total agreement over the cadence issue, the power pack attached to the seat of the bicycle and that ultra light is a modern phenomenon that will not go away. Although as I said before we cannot turn back the clock on such matters as modern technology, there is however a lot to be said for understanding the issues of heart rate and the relation between carbohydrates, fats and protein as a sources of energy etc., etc. and other modern methods of training.

I know BRF will advocate just getting out and doing the miles and while I agree there is no substitute for hard work on the bike, it helps to have a knowledge of these other very important issues when it comes to racing.

By using the heart rate as a measure of fitness and as a virtual yardstick one can gauge how much or how little one is making progress in training.
Whether we like it or not it is relevant in todays approach to training athletes and if we kid ourselves just being able to ride a certain time test at a given speed as credentials for giving advice to up and coming sports people, then we stand the chance of becoming like the proverbial dinosaur.

While this might not sit well with a couple of dinosaurs whos BP could well become elevated by this suggestion, in this day and age a piece of paper on the wall goes a long way to help in paying the bills, believe me.

With regards the use of turbo trainers, like rollers they too have their place and when one sees the advance in technology today it is the case of join 'em or get left behind. Steady BRF, don't choke or yer coffee lad, it's alright, I'm on your side. You mentioned the Campagnolo gear used in the old days, well lad al' I kin say 'bout that is, sheer bloody luxury, wen we wus kids we lived 'int shoe box 'int middle of road, we had it tuf , we 'ad to get up at four o'clock and lick road clean wi our tongues and then eat a hanful of hot gravel fur breakfast.
Gentlemen all, Lim, BRF, Jean D, and of course, you FredC,(dance on the ceiling) It is with a heavy heart that I bid you all a fond farewell for the present. I have enjoyed the reading, however there are more pressing things taxing take my time. I have to leave for foreign shores and time is of the essence, my ship departs for sunnier climbs and I must take my leave of you. Let the season begin in earnest....???? ;) Wink Wink, Nudge Nudge, say no more....??
'ell no, ellno! Just got used to having a teammate in this peloton. Ride hard,live long and come back safely....whatever goes around.........

Au revoir.

Jean

All the best ellno on your sunnier climbs and in your sunnier climes
When we was young we more or less had what was best on the market: campag this an' that, hand made frames, lovely back wheel 5 cogs selected just for the course of the day 13-17 giving the nicest block, 14 to 25 with a 6 block making cog choice difficult - out with the gear tables again -
When I was riding for a living well you had to make do with whatever you were given: Gitane, Peugeot, Mercier (Simplex) etc.. although I usually rode a disguised Pennine thanks very much Johnny God bless your heart. In those days the then old guys all had better gear than us racing men but it did them no good they could'nt hold a candle to us and the same goes for us today I'm afraid.
What's this about David Millar living in Hayfield????
Sun's shining I'm off for a ride no counting revs or tracking heart rate its just nice to be out an enjoying it init:D
Hayfield, otherwise known as Royston Vasey. Did you manage to watch 'The League of Gentlemen'? That's where it was filmed. They were going to use Bacup originally.

'ell no, ellno! Just got used to having a teammate in this peloton. Ride hard,live long and come back safely....whatever goes around.........

Au revoir.

Jean
Well you'll just have to have us for company, whether you like it or not.

Hayfield, otherwise known as Royston Vasey. Did you manage to watch 'The League of Gentlemen'? That's where it was filmed. They were going to use Bacup originally.
You're mixing up Hayfield with Hadfield, which us mountain men know is just below Padfield and above Woolley Bridge.

You're mixing up Hayfield with Hadfield, which us mountain men know is just below Padfield and above Woolley Bridge.Of course you're quite right. Anyway I've got you down as about two years younger than Jacques. At first I thought you might be Brian Edwards (ex Vsub-Vogel Germany), who's with Terrie Riley in Heald Green, but Brian was from Bolton, and wouldn't have used Cowan's. So I'm looking at a window of about the time HK won the the Div Champs, and Alan Tonkins won the Junior Divs. By a bit of tactical thinking I don't think your Club is the Glossop because they wouldn't have gone to the Cat on Sunday. They work on a different section of the Pennines. The Velo used Cowan's as did the Glossop, and so did the Abbotsford, other clubs used the shop but they were mainly testers. So I'm going to have a first go at you being Alan Goodall. Jacques went to France when he was 20, so you were about 18 at the time.
BTW do you know how Ben came to be known as 'Ben the Bastard'? If I'm right just PM me, we don't go in for exposure on here.

Of course you're quite right. Anyway I've got you down as about two years younger than Jacques. At first I thought you might be Brian Edwards (ex Vsub-Vogel Germany), who's with Terrie Riley in Heald Green, but Brian was from Bolton, and wouldn't have used Cowan's. So I'm looking at a window of about the time HK won the the Div Champs, and Alan Tonkins won the Junior Divs. By a bit of tactical thinking I don't think your Club is the Glossop because they wouldn't have gone to the Cat on Sunday. They work on a different section of the Pennines. The Velo used Cowan's as did the Glossop, and so did the Abbotsford, other clubs used the shop but they were mainly testers. So I'm going to have a first go at you being Alan Goodall. Jacques went to France when he was 20, so you were about 18 at the time.
BTW do you know how Ben came to be known as 'Ben the Bastard'? If I'm right just PM me, we don't go in for exposure on here.
A good play! I certainly couldn't sprint like AG, I wish I'd had Brian's class and I did race a lot with HK. After a 25yr break from the bike, if you'd moved house / area, you would n't necessarily still be in the same club. I'm making this too easy but I don't think we've ever met!
For some reason I can't fathom I'm a "guest" on this forum, so when the games up, PM Jaques D and he'll pass on your your final play. As you say,we don't go in for exposure.

Bon chance,;)

A good play! I certainly couldn't sprint like AG, I wish I'd had Brian's class and I did race a lot with HK. After a 25yr break from the bike, if you'd moved house / area, you would n't necessarily still be in the same club. I'm making this too easy but I don't think we've ever met!
For some reason I can't fathom I'm a "guest" on this forum, so when the games up, PM Jaques D and he'll pass on your your final play. As you say,we don't go in for exposure.

Bon chance,;)
Firstly, contact the controllers at cyclingforums, or better still contact Limerickman on our XES board, he'll sort it out, I'm sure of that. He's Mr Ireland.
As far as meeting is concerned I wouldn't put money on it that we haven't. I rode with Merckx, when in fact I rode against him. Fat lot of use that was when he went off the radar system. Now are you saying that you rode with HK in the GV, or not?
It's not too easy, that's the idea, so long as we know who's who the rest of them don't bother us. HK said he's joining in.
Now listen when I get you sorted out, we'll do some Charlie stories, I know more about him, and he knows more about me than anyone else. I've known him from being 14/15 and he used to work for me at one time. I sacked him, and he was mortified. I think he used one of his favourite expressions and called me a twat.
I still love him to bits.

When I was riding for a living well you had to make do with whatever you were given: Gitane, Peugeot, Mercier (Simplex) etc.. although I usually rode a disguised Pennine thanks very much Johnny God bless your heart. In those days the then old guys all had better gear than us racing men but it did them no good they could'nt hold a candle to us and the same goes for us today I'm

:):) hi there, yes pennine i my opinuim were the best on the market, well up norf, i rode them all my life, in fact i have mi old sloping tt frame still hanging up in the garage.. johny now lives in canada, with his daughter barbara, well i think he is still with us, he must be 86 now, same age as mi mum who is in seeeth afriiiiiiika, ( should see here next week).. they were built by graham saunders, who was a wizard, but then things went downhill a bit, jony sprayed them in a booth next to the shot blast machine,,, you guessed it,, you can always tell a genuine jony sprayed frame, just run you hand over it and you could feel the dust underneath... he built them for loads of bike shop, including, cowens and harry halls, ect..yes thats true..

i was doing quite well "as a lad" in local TT, and i went in one day and he gave me a red richmond track iron, it was a trade in but as new,, i rode that frame for a year and then each year he gave me a new one to ride on...road and track... so if you see any photo's of BRF you will see PENNINE on the frame... now sadly i race now on a giant tcr, and train on a veneto/orbea, bon courage :cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:

When I was riding for a living well you had to make do with whatever you were given: Gitane, Peugeot, Mercier (Simplex) etc.. although I usually rode a disguised Pennine thanks very much Johnny God bless your heart. In those days the then old guys all had better gear than us racing men but it did them no good they could'nt hold a candle to us and the same goes for us today I'm

:):) hi there, yes pennine i my opinuim were the best on the market, well up norf, i rode them all my life, in fact i have mi old sloping tt frame still hanging up in the garage.. johny now lives in canada, with his daughter barbara, well i think he is still with us, he must be 86 now, same age as mi mum who is in seeeth afriiiiiiika, ( should see her next week).. they were built by graham saunders, who was a wizard, but then things went downhill a bit, jony sprayed them in a booth next to the shot blast machine,,, you guessed it,, you can always tell a genuine jony sprayed frame, just run you hand over it and you could feel the dust underneath... he built them for loads of bike shopsin the north, including, cowens and harry halls, ect..yes thats true..

i was doing quite well "as a lad" in local TT, and i went in one day and he gave me a red richmond track iron, it was a trade in but as new,, i rode that frame for a year and then each year he gave me a new one to ride on...road and track... so if you see any photo's of BRF you will see PENNINE on the frame... now sadly i race now on a giant tcr, and train on a veneto/orbea, bon courage :cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:

Of course you're quite right. Anyway I've got you down as about two years younger than Jacques. At first I thought you might be Brian Edwards (ex Vsub-Vogel Germany), who's with Terrie Riley in Heald Green, but Brian was from Bolton, and wouldn't have used Cowan's. So I'm looking at a window of about the time HK won the the Div Champs, and Alan Tonkins won the Junior Divs. By a bit of tactical thinking I don't think your Club is the Glossop because they wouldn't have gone to the Cat on Sunday. They work on a different section of the Pennines. The Velo used Cowan's as did the Glossop, and so did the Abbotsford, other clubs used the shop but they were mainly testers. So I'm going to have a first go at you being Alan Goodall. Jacques went to France when he was 20, so you were about 18 at the time.
BTW do you know how Ben came to be known as 'Ben the Bastard'? If I'm right just PM me, we don't go in for exposure on here.
Hi there
Yeh Bryan was a good mate of mine (shopped at Harry's) we rode a lot together even if we weren't in the some club. I went to see him a couple of years ago lives very close to Jean he does and he was looking fine an' very healthy. I didn't know Johnny Mapp was still alive can anyone confirm he was really good to me not to mention the Cowan's both treated me as if I was their own son I owe so much to them -pity they're gone.
PS I didn't go to France until I was 22 if that's any help. anybody any news of Harry Hall.;););)
BFN

A good play! I certainly couldn't sprint like AG, I wish I'd had Brian's class and I did race a lot with HK. After a 25yr break from the bike, if you'd moved house / area, you would n't necessarily still be in the same club. I'm making this too easy but I don't think we've ever met!
For some reason I can't fathom I'm a "guest" on this forum, so when the games up, PM Jaques D and he'll pass on your your final play. As you say,we don't go in for exposure.

Bon chance,;)
Lim says that you are posting through a guest portal, that's why your details are not coming up. So go back to the start, and join as a member. That should do the trick.

Lim says that you are posting through a guest portal, that's why your details are not coming up. So go back to the start, and join as a member. That should do the trick.
I'm overwhelmed by all this consideration. Thanks to one and all! A nice guy at Cycling Forums thinks he's sorted it. It was the ghost in the machine. I'll soon Know if I get a nice name in blue like everyone else.
Fred, Jaques came back to the UK for a season in 1970 so he and I and HK had a season together, even managed a 123 in an event in Yorkshire. Guess who was 3rd!
Lets see if this works now.

I'm overwhelmed by all this consideration. Thanks to one and all! A nice guy at Cycling Forums thinks he's sorted it. It was the ghost in the machine. I'll soon Know if I get a nice name in blue like everyone else.
Fred, Jaques came back to the UK for a season in 1970 so he and I and HK had a season together, even managed a 123 in an event in Yorkshire. Guess who was 3rd!
Lets see if this works now.
It looks like the biz to me, and you're on the game now (excuse me).I decided to review my assessment, then decided that after all you were in the GV. I only came back here in 1970, and was busy starting starting up my engineering business, before I could put something back into the game. I did do some boozing with the GV at various times, so I'll have to get the abacus out.
We don't like 'guests' on here, or gatecrashers as we call them, but in your case you are the genuine article. Ve hav our vays. So in our pub and chimney corner are barrels of Guiness, Boddingtons,Yorkshire Tetleys, Higsons, Abbot ale, and bottles of Pastis 51, and lemonade awaiting HK.
HK might have gone swimming with Jack Kershaw.