How many of you carry a gun as part of your cycling equipment?

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We in Europe hunt too, in fact some of us have even more handguns (http://www.guncontrol.ca/Content/international.html#access)(see table underneath) than you folks in the USA.

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Pogata, this is from your own source:

One study which examined the link between gun ownership rates and firearm deaths within Canadian provinces, the United States, England/Wales and Australia concluded that 92% of the variance in death rates was explained by access to firearms in those areas.

I've read this thread with some intrest it would seem there are a fair amount of folks here who suffer from what the late great Col. Cooper caled Hoplophobia. There really is no use in arguing with folks like this since logic and reason are not part of their makeup.

For those of you who have misquoted our second amendent,

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

Why do the gun haters feel that evrywhere else in the constitution "the people" means just that the people, except in the second amendent?

As to the anti American feelings here, I guess when your the big boy on the block it's to be expected, just ask Lance.

As to carrying while cycling, I've found a Sahara Strider (chest holster) from Blackhawk works great. Holds my CZ 75 just fine.

Says it all really.
At least she gets to feel something hard in yer pocket! :D :D :D

Classic stuff!
LOL

If handguns were banned, violent crime with a gun would decrease dramatically. I know it is true some crimes can be committed with sportsman type firearms, but I doubt it would be an issue.


I'm not sure where you get your info but unless you have a source you can refer to I call BS.

Just for your info when I've seen an awful lot of "sporting arms" chopped and blocked by criminals. I've also seen an awful lot of them unaltered used by criminals.

Why should I have to flee from my home? :confused:

There`s a fine line between being stupid and being brave!Not on this site :cool:


Originally Posted by wolfix ...If handguns were banned, violent crime with a gun would decrease dramatically. I know it is true some crimes can be committed with sportsman type firearms, but I doubt it would be an issue. You have got to be kidding me

I am just wondering how many of U that claim U carry guns for protection have ever been shot at? Cos all of U seem to think that U would have the time, the clarity of mind and the nerve of a contract killer to draw your gun and retalliate... Bollocks I say... An ex soldier maybe. And that takes years of specific training. But most of U would just be lucky if U remembered that U had a gun... U have been watching too many movies folks... Reality isn't like that... U'd like it to be though...
There was an old Guiness add that claimed:"80% of statistics are made on the spot"... This is definitely true for that topic...

So there should be no restrictions on WMDs?
Anyone can have them...to defend themselves?

Guns do not have to be aimed to kill. The number of soldiers wounded by firearms compared to the number of soldiers killed by them proves that. In any case ...in a war the intention is not to kill. Wounded enemies require care and attention and tie up valuable military resources. Wars are won by logistics.
Comparing babies to firearms? How oddly you think.

The licenced gun dealer referred to in an earlier post acquired all the weapons legally and falsely claimed that they had been made inoperable or destroyed. Many of the semi-automatic weapons (including pistols) were converted to full automatic. he sold them knowingly and deliberately to criminals who were prepared to pay higher prices than would have been possible legally (and without the paperwork). The weapons were sold over a period of a couple of years and several of the weapons were used in murders.

If prohibition/regulation has no effect on behaviour then why have laws to regulate any aspect of human behaviour?

If you think you can use a firearm to defend yourself then you have seriously deluded yourself. If someone wants to shoot you they aren't going to give you the opportunity to draw a gun. They will simply shoot you without warning...more likely when they think you have a gun.

Citizens of the US are 16 times more likely to be murdered with a gun than Australians. Britain's strong gun regulation makes them twice as safe as Australians. Why?
You already a victim....of the aggressive and deceitful marketing of firearms manufacturers who, since the American Civil War, deliberately aimed their marketing at the gullible and fearful in order to maintain the high profits of the wartime years.

You obviously cant put 2+2 together. you mentioned that guns that start out legally end up as illegal guns and so I said babies all start out innocent too but they don't always stay that way. As far as guns it depends who's hands they are in. Go back and read the whole sentence.
As far as nuclear weapons go I wish they did not exist but unlike you I am not under the delusion that all things will be sweet and everyone will play nice if they did not exist. Killing has been part of the human race since the beginning of time the only difference with firearms are that women, the small in stature the elderly can stop a larger more powerful aggressor. I also am intelligent enough to realize that whether the US or any other countries tell Iran, Korea etc. that they can't have nuclear weapons that if they want them they will get them anyway. I did not say guns have to be aimed to kill. I said to be effective for killing they need to be aimed if you just spray & pray you may or may not hit your victim. To listen to the anti-gunners you would think every time a shot is fired someone is wounded or killed this is not the case.

So the gun dealer was motivated by money to commit criminal acts. Well than using your type of logic we should ban money thereby removing his reason for commiting the crime. As they say the love of money is the root of all evil.

Well tell me how the laws stopped that gun dealer from commiting the crimes he did? Laws are totally ineffective against people that have chosen to commit a crime but they do serve to make people in the criminal justice system lots of money and they are used in sentencing.

I am not deluded into thinking I can use firearms in self defence because up to 2.5 million have.
Since Australia's gun control and the UK's gun control violent crime has gone up not down but you and people like you think thats okay as long as guns are not involved. You go right ahead and choose to be a victim.

You are brainwashed Steve baby by the Anti-gun groups. I have been around firearms all my life and they are not the problem people with criminal intent are.

For those interested in debunking all of the Anti-gunners claims you can put Gun facts 4.1 in your search engine and you will get all or most of the myths the anti-gunners spew and the research that show how much they lie, change statistics like including from 18-24 year olds as children to get their numbers.

I`ve been shot at with an air rifle from a passing car(other cyclists in the city I live, have been shot at from houses along the roads). Car drivers and truckers deliberately pass only inches away. I`ve been passed by car drivers who when in front of me deliberately hit the brakes so I crash into their cars.


So when a kid shoots a BB gun at you, you'll shoot back?
you'll get into a firefight with people in a house?
A car or truck who you've decided has passed too closely will get shot at?
And someone who slams on their brakes in front of you ............ you'll shoot them?

You live in a dangerous neighborhood. Dangerous because you're so ready to pull a trigger. You should be sure to let everyone know where you live how ready you are to shoot to protect yourself. Maybe a letter to the editor of your local paper?
I'm sure everyone will all back off and give you plenty of space once they know.

Of course you're not a law breaker so you certainly have a concealed weapon permit right?

I'm not sure where you get your info but unless you have a source you can refer to I call BS.

Just for your info when I've seen an awful lot of "sporting arms" chopped and blocked by criminals. I've also seen an awful lot of them unaltered used by criminals. Reading the newspaper and common sense tells us handguns produce the majority of violent "crime with guns" in this country. Even if someone sawed off a shotgun, the odds of a individual carrying it around is slim. The simple fact of the size of a sporting arm being used when concealment is needed eliminates it's use most of the time....

Reading the newspaper and common sense tells us handguns produce the majority of violent "crime with guns" in this country. Even if someone sawed off a shotgun, the odds of a individual carrying it around is slim. The simple fact of the size of a sporting arm being used when concealment is needed eliminates it's use most of the time....
I should have been more clear, even if handguns were outlawed today (in the US) the sfb who use them to commit crimes will still get them, there's an awful lot of them out there. If they couldn't get one it's not all that hard to chop and block a "sporting firearm". My point being criminals will commit crimes, and there is no way you can prove by eliminating handguns violent crime will drop.

I do know what has caused violent crime to drop.
In every single State that has passed shall issue permits for concealed carry, violent crime has went down, and non violent crime has gone up. Which means that criminals will still commit crimes but they are afraid of their victims, so they choose non violent crimes.

As to the anti American feelings here, I guess when your the big boy on the block it's to be expected, just ask Lance.
What are we going to ask him? Why he didn't follow the regulations of the sport and used EPO? Are we supposed to draw some kind of parallel between that and the U.S. not following international law?

If handguns were banned, violent crime with a gun would decrease dramatically. I know it is true some crimes can be committed with sportsman type firearms, but I doubt it would be an issue.
Only some sorts of crimes would decrease. The domestic murders that occur in the midst of arguments would instead turn into knifings or beatings, but more people would survive. I don't care so much about this kind of stuff because it rarely occurs in a vacuum. 99% of the time the people are incompatible and have been at each other's throats for a long time. If my neighbor shoots his wife during a fight it doesn't really pose a danger to me or anyone else in the society,

I am skeptical that violent crime would decrease much. Unlike Britain and Australia, the U.S. is not an island. We have a long southern border where hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants cross every year, along with drugs, and all sorts of smuggled goods. Guns would just become a new smuggled good. The street price of guns would eventually go up, so maybe the poorer criminals would have a harder time geting them.

Most gun crime in the U.S. is tied to the drug trade. That is so profitable that the people involved in it will never have problems getting weapons.

People who carry guns while in the suburbs are just paranoid whackos, the last type of people you want to be gun owners.

I`ve been shot at with an air rifle from a passing car(other cyclists in the city I live, have been shot at from houses along the roads). Car drivers and truckers deliberately pass only inches away. I`ve been passed by car drivers who when in front of me deliberately hit the brakes so I crash into their cars.So when a kid shoots a BB gun at you, you'll shoot back?
you'll get into a firefight with people in a house?
A car or truck who you've decided has passed too closely will get shot at?
And someone who slams on their brakes in front of you ............ you'll shoot them?

You live in a dangerous neighborhood. Dangerous because you're so ready to pull a trigger. You should be sure to let everyone know where you live how ready you are to shoot to protect yourself. Maybe a letter to the editor of your local paper?
I'm sure everyone will all back off and give you plenty of space once they know.

Of course you're not a law breaker so you certainly have a concealed weapon permit right?Where I live, you have to be 18 years or older to drive a car and vote in elections etc, and one gets trialed as an adult from the age of 16, which means you`re an adult not a kid.
So when a kid shoots a BB gun at you, you'll shoot back?
Why shouldn`t I be able to defend myself?

you'll get into a firefight with people in a house?
Why shouldn`t I be able to defend myself?

A car or truck who you've decided has passed too closely will get shot at?
When car drivers and truckers deliberately pass only inches away, with the hope/the intention of causing me bodily harm, why shouldn`t I be able to defend myself?

And someone who slams on their brakes in front of you ............ you'll shoot them?
When car drivers deliberately slams on their brakes in front of me with the hope/the intention of causing me bodily harm, why shouldn`t I be able to defend myself?
You live in a dangerous neighborhood.No, it`s considered to be quite safe.
Dangerous because you're so ready to pull a trigger. You should be sure to let everyone know where you live how ready you are to shoot to protect yourself. Maybe a letter to the editor of your local paper? No, I don`t own a gun.
I'm sure everyone will all back off and give you plenty of space once they know.Maybe they would if I had a gun.
Of course you're not a law breaker so you certainly have a concealed weapon permit right?No, I`m not law breaker and of course I don`t have a concealed weapon permit, I don`t own a gun.

I'm not sure where you get your info but unless you have a source you can refer to I call BS.

Just for your info when I've seen an awful lot of "sporting arms" chopped and blocked by criminals. I've also seen an awful lot of them unaltered used by criminals.Reading the newspaper and common sense tells us handguns produce the majority of violent "crime with guns" in this country. Even if someone sawed off a shotgun, the odds of a individual carrying it around is slim. The simple fact of the size of a sporting arm being used when concealment is needed eliminates it's use most of the time....Not all competitive shooting requires a large gun (http://www.nrahq.org/compete/dept-pistol.asp).

As to the anti American feelings here, I guess when your the big boy on the block it's to be expected, just ask Lance.What are we going to ask him? Why he didn't follow the regulations of the sport and used EPO? Are we supposed to draw some kind of parallel between that and the U.S. not following international law?Can you prove that he did that in order to win the Tour de France?

Lets see now we have laws against murder, rape, assault and battery, robbery etc. In the US there are more than 22,000 gun laws at the city, county, state and federal level. If laws were effective in stopping criminals than we would have no crime or very little. We don't because criminals ignore the law. Yet the anti-gunners would have us believe that more laws are the answer. The answer is getting criminals off the street and locking them up until they have paid their debt to society and if they have commited violent crimes no matter what weapon they used they should be put away for life.

Bro Deal for your information crime does occur too in the suburbs. Although in the suberbs are where people are more likely to be legally allowed to carry and crime is lower.

Gun control does very little to nothing to stop the criminals and only disarms those who are not inclined towards criminal activity. Thereby giving the criminals the advantage. Sorry but I don't want to give criminals any advantage.

Wolfix, Common sense tells us that people commit crimes. Some use guns some knives some bats, a shod foot their hands etc. Guns which are inanimate objects are incapable of producing anything. The main stream media is not very accurate when it comes to reporting on firearms. Just recently on the news they talked about a stabbing but instead of showing a knife they showed a bullet. They tend to be very biased.

Anyone who blames inanimate objects for the ills of the world instead of holding the people that use them for criminal purposes accountable is not going to solve the worlds ills in fact they will most likely create more.

I should have been more clear, even if handguns were outlawed today (in the US) the sfb who use them to commit crimes will still get them, there's an awful lot of them out there. If they couldn't get one it's not all that hard to chop and block a "sporting firearm". My point being criminals will commit crimes, and there is no way you can prove by eliminating handguns violent crime will drop.

I do know what has caused violent crime to drop.
In every single State that has passed shall issue permits for concealed carry, violent crime has went down, and non violent crime has gone up. Which means that criminals will still commit crimes but they are afraid of their victims, so they choose non violent crimes.
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/prelim06/table2.htm
Table 2, Preliminary Semiannual Uniform Crime Report, January-June 2006
Figures from the FBI report on crime in the USA.
An increase in violent crime,decrease in property crime for US overall.
Despite the increase in states allowing "concealed carry of lethal weapons"

Sorry but thats a compilation of stats, not a State by State comparison. The reason why so many states are going to shall issue is the drop of violent crime.

Again,figures 2005 to 2006 from FBI report for Florida.
!7 areas reported,increase in violent crime in 10 areas,decrease in 7.
Overall for Florida...an increase of 395 incidents of violence.
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/prelim06/t4co_id.htm
Table 4, Colorado-Idaho