1. Rebellin 2. Boogerd 3. Bettini

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Eternal runner-up finally manages to win something important.
Home boy chokes once again in a face to face finale.
Big favourite wins second group sprint.

Davide Tosi wrote:
> Eternal runner-up finally manages to win something important.
> Home boy chokes once again in a face to face finale.
> Big favourite wins second group sprint.

When it became clear that Boogerd and Rebellin weren't going to be brought
back I started muttering "strijkijzer."

On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 18:19:03 +0200, Robert Chung wrote:
> When it became clear that Boogerd and Rebellin weren't going to be brought
> back I started muttering "strijkijzer."

Well, yeah, but a hill sprint suits Boogy better than one on the flat.
Afterwards he said he went when Maassen shouted in his ear "go now in
the bend!". But then he complained to have made a big beginner mistake
by going too soon. So he had to quickly amend the "beginner"
qualification to not piss off his director completely, haha! Anyway, I
think it didn't matter when or where he went, Rebellin looked
comfortable enough following his wheel and will always have a little
more explosiveness to counter.

Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
> Anyway, I
> think it didn't matter when or where he went, Rebellin looked
> comfortable enough following his wheel and will always have a little
> more explosiveness to counter.

I think you may have a little more explosiveness than Boogerd.

I thought there were relatively few fireworks in the race. I was sorta
surprised that Boogerd and Rebellin were able to separate so quickly from
Bettini, Di Luca, PVP, and Kessler. Must've killed Dekker to sit back. Van
Bon looked to be in a feisty mood--he looked that way last week, too. I'm
starting to lose faith in VDB. Odd to see Landis attack.

"Robert Chung" <me2@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
> > Anyway, I
> > think it didn't matter when or where he went, Rebellin looked
> > comfortable enough following his wheel and will always have a little
> > more explosiveness to counter.
>
> I think you may have a little more explosiveness than Boogerd.

Let's agree that the win couldn't have gone to anyone more deserving than
Davide.

"Robert Chung" <me2@privacy.net> wrote in message
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> Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
> > Anyway, I
> > think it didn't matter when or where he went, Rebellin looked
> > comfortable enough following his wheel and will always have a little
> > more explosiveness to counter.
>
> I think you may have a little more explosiveness than Boogerd.
>

Hasn't Ewoud already beaten Boogerd in a training ride sprint?

davide.tosi@comune.re.it (Davide Tosi) wrote in message news:<408290c2.4013655@news.individual.de>...
> Eternal runner-up finally manages to win something important.
> Home boy chokes once again in a face to face finale.
> Big favourite wins second group sprint.

Rebellin sprinted to two world cup wins in the fall of '97 (I think ?).

If he stuck to that style of racing/tactics he would have an excellent palmares.

"Davide Tosi" <davide.tosi@comune.re.it> wrote in message
news:408290c2.4013655@news.individual.de...
> Eternal runner-up finally manages to win something important.
> Home boy chokes once again in a face to face finale.
> Big favourite wins second group sprint.
>

One would think that Boogerd's climbed the Cauberg so many times in his
life that he would actually know when to attack.

In article <c5u9ps$5obsq$1@ID-226327.news.uni-berlin.de>,
"Robert Chung" <me2@privacy.net> wrote:

> Davide Tosi wrote:
> > Eternal runner-up finally manages to win something important.
> > Home boy chokes once again in a face to face finale.
> > Big favourite wins second group sprint.
>
> When it became clear that Boogerd and Rebellin weren't going to be brought
> back I started muttering "strijkijzer."

Did this have anything to do with that (from Cyclingnews):

"Erik Dekker, Michele Bartoli, Oscar Camenzind, Floyd Landis formed part of
a chase group, but Dekker's continual accelerations disrupted their
rhythm and the six leaders could not be caught."

I wonder what might have happened if Dekker had actually managed to drop
the others and gotten up to Boogerd and Rebellin. Dekker seemed to really
want the win, but so did Boogerd. I'd bet on them cancelling each other out
and DR would still have won.

--
tanx,
Howard

Q: Can we call it a quagmire yet?

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

Howard Kveck wrote:
> "Robert Chung" <me2@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>> When it became clear that Boogerd and Rebellin weren't going to be
>> brought back I started muttering "strijkijzer."
>
> Did this have anything to do with that (from Cyclingnews):
>
> "Erik Dekker, Michele Bartoli, Oscar Camenzind, Floyd Landis formed
> part of a chase group, but Dekker's continual accelerations disrupted
> their rhythm and the six leaders could not be caught."
>
> I wonder what might have happened if Dekker had actually managed to
> drop the others and gotten up to Boogerd and Rebellin.

I was talking about the split in the gang of six, not the split of the six
from the (remnants of the) peloton. When Rebellin and Boogerd made their
attack I, of course, thought that Bettini et al. would respond and bring
them back. They couldn't. I don't think Dekker's dicking of the 3rd group
would have made much of a difference to the front of the race, no matter
how entertaining it might have been to see. Dekker has a better sprint
than Boogerd, as does almost everyone except LANCE and, oh, maybe, Jacky
Durand. Whenever Boogerd's face appears on the screen, Bornfeld shakes his
head and thinks, "if only..."

On 19 Apr 2004 01:30:34 -0800, Benjamin Weiner wrote:
> Who the hell pinned Boogerd's number??!!!

Oh man, that was excruciating. Rip it off! Rip It Off!!!

Ewoud Dronkert <me@privacy.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 18:19:03 +0200, Robert Chung wrote:
> > When it became clear that Boogerd and Rebellin weren't going to be brought
> > back I started muttering "strijkijzer."

> Well, yeah, but a hill sprint suits Boogy better than one on the flat.
> Afterwards he said he went when Maassen shouted in his ear "go now in
> the bend!". But then he complained to have made a big beginner mistake
> by going too soon. So he had to quickly amend the "beginner"
> qualification to not piss off his director completely, haha! Anyway, I
> think it didn't matter when or where he went, Rebellin looked
> comfortable enough following his wheel and will always have a little
> more explosiveness to counter.

Stop being logical. Who the hell pinned Boogerd's number??!!!
There's your national scapegoat. Watching that little sail
attached to his back for the last half hour was giving me
the jitters.

On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 08:04:32 +0200, Robert Chung wrote:
> Whenever Boogerd's face appears on the screen, Bornfeld shakes his
> head and thinks, "if only..."

What's wrong with his teeth? OK, there's a lot of them. You think the
dental twins might start the new field of orthodontic aerodynamics?

I don't think that the sprint is where he lost this race. Throughout the
break he wanted to be the man, did the majority of the pace making and lead
about 80% of the time. He thought he had Davide right where he wanted him,
sucking his wheel and holding on for dear life. Davide used his skill and
never showed his hand, Boogerd was standing on the final climb, daring
Rebellin to go, and in the end... he did.



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"Jiyang Chen" <no@no.no> wrote in message
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> "Davide Tosi" <davide.tosi@comune.re.it> wrote in message
> news:408290c2.4013655@news.individual.de...
> > Eternal runner-up finally manages to win something important.
> > Home boy chokes once again in a face to face finale.
> > Big favourite wins second group sprint.
> >
>
> One would think that Boogerd's climbed the Cauberg so many times in his
> life that he would actually know when to attack.
>


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In article <c5v470$d7k@dispatch.concentric.net>, no@no.no says...
>"Davide Tosi" <davide.tosi@comune.re.it> wrote in message
>news:408290c2.4013655@news.individual.de...
>> Eternal runner-up finally manages to win something important.
>> Home boy chokes once again in a face to face finale.
>> Big favourite wins second group sprint.
>One would think that Boogerd's climbed the Cauberg so many times in his
>life that he would actually know when to attack.

I watched the OLN coverage and it looked pretty obvious how it was going
to end about 3 seconds after Boogerd's sprint for the line. He was giving
it his all and Rebelline was just sitting in biding his time.
---------------
Alex

Boogerd should have put the pressure up the whole climb, instead
of a sprint.



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"leif_ericson" <usenet-forum@cyclingforums.com> wrote in message
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> Boogerd should have put the pressure up the whole climb, instead
> of a sprint.

Against Rebellin it wouldn't have made any difference. Davide is a classier
rider than Boogerd. The funny thing is that it's taken him so long to make a
big win.

Tom Kunich wrote:
> Against Rebellin it wouldn't have made any difference. Davide is a
> classier rider than Boogerd. The funny thing is that it's taken him so
> long to make a big win.



Thats debatable if you look at the palmares. I would say they are pretty
close in class. Boogerd has surprised me with his consistency and by
making the top ten of UCI. I never believed in him when he was a younger
Pro, not even when he won a TdF stage by dropping that Spanish time-
trial specialist (god... my memory fails, he won a vuelta, rode for
Banesto and Once... HELP).

On Boogerd's sprinting: He isn't that slow at all. Uphill he is one of
the faster sprinters and he actually managed to end up second in the
Amstel Gold Race sprint Zabel won. Sure, Rebellin is faster, but Boogerd
isn't really a "Strijkijzer" (anti-sprinter)



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Tuschinski <usenet-forum@cyclingforums.com> wrote in message news:<YGthc.55951$E_.39435@fe22.usenetserver.com>...

> Tom Kunich wrote:

> > Against Rebellin it wouldn't have made any difference. Davide is a
> > classier rider than Boogerd. The funny thing is that it's taken him so
> > long to make a big win.
>
> Thats debatable if you look at the palmares. I would say they are pretty
> close in class. Boogerd has surprised me with his consistency and by
> making the top ten of UCI. I never believed in him when he was a younger
> Pro, not even when he won a TdF stage by dropping that Spanish time-
> trial specialist (god... my memory fails, he won a vuelta, rode for
> Banesto and Once... HELP).

Abraham Olano? BTW, Boogerd is just under 6'0 and he weighs somewhere
around 140 lb, if the OLN TdF listing was to be believed. That might
explain some things.

-Sonarrat.

Sonarrat wrote:
> Abraham Olano? BTW, Boogerd is just under 6'0 and he weighs somewhere
> around 140 lb, if the OLN TdF listing was to be believed. That might
> explain some things.
> -Sonarrat.



Not Olano, but in 1996 he dropped Melchior Mauri Prat in a dangerous
final part of the stage to Aix le bains:)



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